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hey this is Jay

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and I guess I'm Sean

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and this is citizen Witness

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foreign

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hey buddy how you doing it's good to see

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you yeah good to see you too now uh that

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intro is planned and it has those little

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like beings in there and I just thought

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like

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do you

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believe in aliens

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that that aliens are here or have been

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here actual X extraterrestrial

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aliens yeah yeah I mean I like I mean I

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don't have

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concrete

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you know no none of them like gave me a

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map back home and I don't think that

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they've given many people I've met back

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home I think most of them are

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deliberately vague about that kind of

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stuff

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I you know

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I do I do tend to agree with

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um Eric Davis or like Sean espion or

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hargens and things like that in that I

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think that there's a really good chance

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or even how put off that there's a

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really good chance that many of the

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beings that we're seeing

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um are like crypto terrestrials I think

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that that's a strong possibility that at

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least some of these beings I think some

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of them meaning that's like some of them

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have been living on Earth for really or

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some of them like a little Outpost have

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been living here for like a ridiculously

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long time and we're just now at a point

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where we can kind of again face these

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kinds of things outside of Mythology and

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stuff like that but at the same time you

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know there are lots of great cases from

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people like Timothy good and and

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um kind of like Coral Lorenzen and a lot

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of the the kind of like earlier weirder

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cases before things started to kind of

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align in the 90s and get really Roswell

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defined and it's kind of fun yeah you

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know what I mean for a while it seemed

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like it just turned into like all Grays

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all the time or something like that so

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you know like so it would be a really

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good name for a song by the way all

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Grace all the time yeah yeah yeah it

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could be kind of like race all the time

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yeah I would love to hear that song from

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you I think that would be dope but um

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but you know like I think that there are

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legitimately extraterrestrials out there

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and I think that there are also crypto

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terrestrials and then I think that

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there's I also agree with people that

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we've had on on on your show like Nick

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cook for example stuff like that where

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it's like or Ingo Swan even where it's

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where there's

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there's almost certainly some other

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layer that's like overlapping ours like

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some some people call it a dimension

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some people call it a frequency when it

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comes down to it it seems like we argue

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over these terms but we all kind of know

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what we're talking about which is that

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there's some overlapping layer of

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reality that we can't see and we can't

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touch that might have something to do

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with like dark matter or energy or all

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the extra gravity that we can detect

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that we can't find or maybe it doesn't

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yeah do you find it a little isn't it

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kind of you know just touching on that

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point isn't it a little like silly to

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argue about the different terms right

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don't leave you a map

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right like uh here's our you know

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Wikipedia from whatever planet that we

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use you know

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like

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arguing over

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you know what it's called like

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shouldn't they tell us what what they're

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called you know like right yeah call me

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this you know yeah we're like deciding

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what to name this thing and they don't

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even have a say like what the what the

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hell you know right yeah we don't we

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yeah or we asked them their names and

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then there's a bunch of accounts where

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they're like ah you can't pronounce it

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anyway yeah

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there's that too find out that's not it

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and you're like okay well your name's

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liar then you know yeah oh yeah we're

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venusians that's what we are you know

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like yeah I mean it's it's funny

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especially yeah you're absolutely right

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and it's funny because like there are so

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many of those early contact e cases like

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in the 50s 40s even the 60s where people

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would meet up and they would hang out

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with some like you know really

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conventionally attractive

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um humanoid being that came out of a

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craft or whatever and then those stories

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got you know pushed to the side for

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the better part of 40 years at least

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because people were like oh no no that's

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not them that was something fake that

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wasn't real they're gray they're about

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four feet tall I saw it in a Steven

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Spielberg movie right

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and yeah and like the mutual exclusivity

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of the situation is so bizarre to me

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because you you go out at night you look

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at all these stores

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and even if they're not all extra

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extraterrestrial and they probably

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aren't you know like that's still like a

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decent

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you know piece of symbolism and

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actuality the Stars themselves for like

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how many possibilities you know at a

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minimum there are in terms of like what

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we can see visibly what do you think

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uh I am I'm a little more skeptical than

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you I would say generally speaking as as

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you know what it is and what's here I

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don't know because I haven't had you

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know a first-hand experience with beings

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or anything I've seen

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uh a couple of things that really

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confused the hell out of me you know and

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since then I've seen like everything

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that you can think of in this guy that's

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Prozac you know whether it be balloons

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um drones you know flaming lanterns uh

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planes everything meteors everything and

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still I have not seen that again and you

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of intelligence that that uh either

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interacts with us or is playing with us

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or something but what it is uh I just

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don't know you know and if sure I cut

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and then I find my I think like Jacques

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Valley a little bit when

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you know he talks about uh you know

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encounters with extraterrestrial beings

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or whatever and how there's some

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instances where they get messages from

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these beings and sometimes they're spot

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on correct and then they'll give you

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um like get everybody here on this day

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where we're gonna show ourselves you

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know and then everybody goes and they

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don't show up you know right and it's

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you can't trust what these things

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they're telling you you know and um so

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whatever they say it's like uh yeah but

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is that the truth I don't know you know

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and then unless you see a dimension open

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up or you know yeah you know happen to

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on the saucer with the beings from the

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planet they reside from you know and

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even then then there's the whole well it

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could be holography going on or you know

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and that could be a light too it's like

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what is actually happening and that's

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extremely frustrating yeah no I know I

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completely agree with you and I think

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you know I think some of that

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their own form of deliberate

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misinformation and disinformation where

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it's like you know where there's a

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complicity we've you know we give a lot

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of heat to

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um government and Military organizations

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the intelligence community of various

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governments and saying

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um you know like experiencers people

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that have experienced these these beings

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and and these craft have been

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completely maligned and and making you

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know made fun of for decades and that's

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absolutely true that's absolutely true

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and at the same time it's you're very

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it's you're right on that a lot of these

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beings themselves have essentially done

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a different version of the same thing

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which in some ways is it

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probably as cruel in a lot of ways which

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is which is like something like what you

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said which is like give you something

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that's true and then get your and then

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essentially get you and or your Close

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Associates and or maybe your whole

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village or whatever uh to think that

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you're a crazy person or that you're a

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liar or because they they lied to you

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that one time or whatever it is right

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you know I don't know I'm not sure what

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to do about that but it's almost like

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they're funneling the misinformation

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themselves you know like if you if you

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if you don't like let's say you don't

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want to be found out and you want to

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keep uh you know sneaking around or

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whatever you know eventually you're

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gonna be caught by somebody right so

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right if somebody catches you and they

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go tell the story how can you screw them

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you know well you can get them really

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emotionally invested in it like you know

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true I was like boom Hook Line and

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Sinker and then they never show up again

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you know and there's no like

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um repeatable scientific process that

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you can do to say sir I told you you

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know so in essence they're leaving Young

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out to drive to seem crazy to everybody

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else so that they can keep sneaking

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around and laughing oh 100 I mean yeah

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and and on the one hand I'm like okay

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well yeah that's mean you know that's

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that's very confusing and it's been

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really hard for a lot of experiencers to

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deal with that you know I mean I I've

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seen a lot of that where people are like

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you know are they coming back are they

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you know then when they're there it's

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too it's too much you know when people

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have experiences like this and then you

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know the on the other side of the coin

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it's like well at least

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there's that and I guess if the

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alternative is

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um we wipe your mind in a way that's not

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safe or we just kill you you know what I

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mean which is what we do not us but like

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you know uh military people spies all

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sorts of folks like that you know if the

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the alternative is like anything and you

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know ending up in like the the trunk of

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some Intergalactic car you know what I

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mean like then I guess you know the

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alternative is better but

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um yeah you know at the same time I

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think that that in some ways

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the palpable sense of paradox and

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confusion there and frustration

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you know really does point at

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that these beings do exist because we

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hear hundreds thousands of these cases

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you know and like I've had them you know

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you've had your own experiences and you

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know there's definitely yeah though

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you're a little bit more skeptical than

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I am about some of the stuff probably as

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you say

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um we both understand that like the

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boundaries of reality are and and what

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we can experience as human beings is

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wider than it's made out to be in our

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popular culture or something like that

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would you agree to that oh definitely

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yeah for sure for sure without a doubt

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and it yeah just wondering what that uh

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you know and then humans kind of have

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their own

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um control system so to speak you know

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their own system that they play on each

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other just like we were talking about

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like these beings would do they kind of

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leave you hung out to try and you can

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start it all with Roswell really

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where they where they come out in the

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paper and say

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you know we we have a flying saucer we

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recovered it it's not the it's not a

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myth

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you know it's real and we got one the

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Air Force recovered one could you

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imagine if that happened today

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oh my God yeah what even happened yeah

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even if it was exactly like it was come

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around and say no forget it we never

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mind yeah if it only yeah can you just

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imagine what online life would be if it

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was just like that and basically the the

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course the story only was up for like 20

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hours and they were like yep yep and

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they even kind of came back and and gave

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some further information like they did

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back then and then after about 20 hours

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they're like oh oh screw that that

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was you know oops you know so which is

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just like that uh the logo that came out

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that and I am a whatever logo yeah that

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came out on an official government

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website with the Flying Saucer on it

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right

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everybody's you know like

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what is this that disclosure I told you

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there admitting it right here and only

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to get uh a word from the government

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says oh that was a simple mistake I mean

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you know that that wasn't supposed to be

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up there whoops that's a goof you know

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and just recently uh Black Vault uh just

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released some foia he got where I think

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they're maybe a total of 20 words in it

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combined you know big surprise but in

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the documents it talks about uh UAP some

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sort of joint operational task force

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that actually gave briefings to people

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including the Secretary of Defense and

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this was all and this just came out so I

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had to his website a few and check it

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out but

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um and

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and basically and this was before the

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UAP task force so

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the question is like so you had this

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program you know going on the whole time

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a different program nobody even knew of

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and they called it unidentified aerial

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phenomenology which is different two

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different occasions and

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just for them to come back and go oh

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that was a that's a mistake like you

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know that they weren't supposed to

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you know they they just got the the

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wrong thing that they put in there it's

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not real it's not a real UAP thing like

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the guy freaking typed out unidentified

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aerial phenomenology right two different

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times talking about briefing people and

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they come back and just say oh that was

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a mistake like how like that's

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our own control system you know where

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you allow people you allow people to be

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like oh my God this is real like

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um the life's way crazier than we

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thought the government's super into this

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it's official nope

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nope just kidding that was a mistake you

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know yeah as if somebody somebody was

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just sitting there typing up somebody

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was sitting here typing up their notes

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and then they were like they're like you

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know they sneeze and they I accidentally

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type out nominology and phenomenology

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and they're like oh my gosh it's coming

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back again you know and it just so

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happens that every time they sneeze

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they've got this like weird muscle

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memory that types out you know the name

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of that organization or something like

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that how is that no it's it's strange

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and like that's I feel like that's

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you know in a way like people talk about

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how you know uh Russian propaganda

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campaigns are you know easily rival the

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United States and and arguably are are

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bet much better than in some ways and

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you know I've I've read a bunch of uh

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stories about that I'm sure you have as

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well and I'm sure many people in the

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chat and that are watching this in the

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future have as well and you know one of

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the things that

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um propaganda campaigns often do is

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basically

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you know get you get a part of the

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audience fed up enough

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um with the back and forth thing that

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that they just like become

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um

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you know they just feel abjectly

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uh they feel abjectly and then they want

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to give up you know what I mean they're

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like okay screw this you know yeah

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forget it and and there's ways and

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there's there's there's concerted

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efforts to do that to get people to stop

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voting there's there's ways to do that

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to get people to stop doing this to

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start doing that and it happens a lot

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you know what I mean and I I have I have

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to think that there that there may be

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something like that built into these

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situations because like let's be honest

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you know again like John Greenwald it's

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great that he got this document out

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there it's great to be highlighted it as

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soon as humanly possible right that's

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fantastic and at the same time like you

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know this is a guy who consistently

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portrays I mean I don't want to speak

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too strongly here but he's like you know

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these are classified docs that are that

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are leak that are coming out and the way

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that it's portrayed it's like no these

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are scraps being handed to him

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and being allowed to get out and so once

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you view documents like that in that

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kind of a framework it changes things

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right it changes things because then

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you're like okay what scrap of

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information is here and how does that go

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against whatever they told us before or

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go along with it

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and so you know even if it's a back and

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forth you know maybe it was like a

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simple accident and you know Sue Goff or

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whoever else is in the office that day

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you know like that you know they they

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printed off you know they sent off 710

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pages of PDFs or whatever the page

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number is I'm sure somebody's going to

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hammer me about that actually the 718

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give it a break don't talk about it if

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you don't know your information Jay

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728 pages I mean yeah I mean you're

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right it's like the PDF what are they

447
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doing online anyway it's up to what they

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what they want you to think almost you

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know like even like reading through old

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newspapers like yeah you know I'll find

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that there will be one article and this

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is like in the 50s or whatever there'll

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be one article where they say that

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they're not the Air Force says nope

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we're not responsible for flag saucers

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you know that flank sauce error isn't

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this specific plane or whatever that's

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not it you know that that's not us and

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then like a year or two will go by and

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you'll see one that comes out with the

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plane with the big dead flag saucer on

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the plane that's meant for like radar

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it's not actual Flying Saucer but it

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looks like a disc and the Navy says you

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know if you see any flying saucers this

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could be it you know and then the next

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article is nope that wasn't us like just

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going back and forth with with what they

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say you know and then they come out and

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say nope everybody's crazy that sees

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them and then this huge guy in the Navy

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comes out and says I think they're from

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outer space

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literally in the 1952 press conference

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with General Sanford after the

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Washington DC sightings he comes out and

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gives a leveled response or whatever you

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know it says

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you know and even kind of leaves the

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door open but there's still you know

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incredible sightings he said that do

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incredible things that we have yet to

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explain you know and then right after

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him I think it's uh Rupal turkey I

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forget the the short bald guy I forget

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uh what his name was oh I mean Kehoe is

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pretty close to Bald yeah but he comes

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out and goes these are interplanetary

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yeah guys yeah so like it's almost like

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they want you

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to expand your mind

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but only so much you know but then put

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yourself in check you know yeah and

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there's you know there's

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and I think one issue here and you know

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we might sound like we're frustrated and

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part of this is that like we're we are

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there is like a lot of frustration

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within the situation and like I'd love

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to hear from the chat what they think

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the New York Times story comes out and

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says this is all hogwash and then

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um right

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um Chris sharp and the other guy I

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always forget the what the website's

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called daily something The Daily Mail

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yeah Daily Mail and then they come out

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and say orbs Reaper drones it's like

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what is it just be freaking straight

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with us bro you know like if it's Reaper

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drones picking up orbs nobody's gonna

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poop themselves we can handle it you

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know everybody is like seeing something

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weird basically even people that you

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wouldn't expect if you get them in an

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intimate enough moment they'll explain

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something that truly baffled them that

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happened in their life at some point

519
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100 totally you know I think I think

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what this is coming down to and and the

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last few months what with the lack of of

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the Congressional UAP task force report

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that was due on October 31st and the

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seeming pushback

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um and relative Silence from you know

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members of Congress like Gallego and and

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uh you know gillibrand and Marco Rubio

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and so many other people that we're

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talking until they were blue in the face

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this summer when we actually had a

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hearing for the first time in a long

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time and you know uh as we heard

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recently from Chris Mellon and other

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people you know they just they whiffed

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on really basic questions and at the

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same time we got stuff like the Wilson

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Davis notes in the Congressional Record

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which is kind of amazing at the same

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time

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that's a great Point like the questions

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that were asked at the hearings like how

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do you

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like what dumb questions other Gallagher

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I mean those are okay Gallagher you know

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I appreciate that he threw the Wilson

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notes out there because I think either

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way we should try to hammer home the

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truth behind that document for sure 100

549
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,480
you know for sure

550
00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:32,039
um and

551
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:33,960
but it's like how do you not ask

552
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:35,580
questions like Christopher melon said

553
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,020
have you ever

554
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:39,299
seen something that went from underwater

555
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:42,360
to outer space and then back exactly you

556
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,620
know how do you not ask a simple

557
00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:46,620
question and it's not classified to say

558
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,529
I mean there's a lot of different

559
00:24:02,810 --> 00:23:59,400
phrases what's the fastest you've

560
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,820
clocked one of these things 100 yeah or

561
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,080
what's the fastest you've clocked one

562
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,600
underwater or there's there's you know

563
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,039
there's a we could throw out a dozen

564
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:09,600
questions here that would be totally

565
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,940
that would be like way more revealing in

566
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:13,620
a lot of ways even if it's just a yes

567
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:16,200
right right and and that's the point

568
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,580
that we're at where we're kind of like

569
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,100
we're we're grasping at what that thing

570
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,520
is but I think I I mean like I have I

571
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:25,980
have a guess for what the pushback is

572
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:28,380
recently I have a guess for part of it

573
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,220
and like you know I there's a sense of

574
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:34,200
decorum within the community where it's

575
00:24:38,649 --> 00:24:36,120
probably Luella zando suck puppet

576
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,230
but like I think you know my best guess

577
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,400
for what some of the pushback is lately

578
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,679
is that you know there was there was

579
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:49,440
earlier Congressional language for the

580
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,679
ndaa uh funding bill

581
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,299
um that was talking about whistleblower

582
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:56,880
language and now with the new revision

583
00:25:03,289 --> 00:24:59,400
some of that whistleblower language got

584
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,299
excised out of out of the draft right

585
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,240
and you know there was word on the

586
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,299
street and if people like you know Chris

587
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,760
sharp or you or I or other people on our

588
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,620
level had heard about it you better

589
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:15,120
believe that some of those folks on

590
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,100
Capitol Hill had heard about that that

591
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:19,260
there were like you know well over a

592
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,820
dozen whistleblowers that were like

593
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,520
ready to go and one of the things that

594
00:25:28,269 --> 00:25:25,679
they were that's many of these

595
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:28,279
whistleblowers were ready to talk about

596
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,740
it wasn't you know drone swarms off of a

597
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:33,779
Navy ship it was a reverse engineering

598
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:34,919
program

599
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,620
it was about recovered technology it was

600
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:40,380
about Crash retrievals you know what I

601
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:43,020
mean and so and that may very well still

602
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,679
happen but I I base I borderline you

603
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,240
know I don't guarantee you I wouldn't

604
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:50,279
you know I wouldn't put my entire life

605
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:54,240
savings on on this situation but like I

606
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,100
in terms of like what my bet would be

607
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:59,279
but I have a strong guess that the

608
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,100
closer that people get to an address for

609
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,860
where the where the where any possible

610
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,320
retrieved materials and craft are like

611
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,360
something more than some little

612
00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:13,440
you know metal booger that you know what

613
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:15,539
I mean it like something in a metal

614
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:20,640
broker you know like and and you know

615
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,919
anything that like actually has like a

616
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:24,299
dashboard you know what I mean like

617
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,059
anything where there's like some solid

618
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:29,159
thing that you can touch you can put

619
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:31,020
your hand on or whatever like it you

620
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:34,020
know if those exist and I and from what

621
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:36,120
I've heard I I feel like that they do

622
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:38,039
you know what I mean I like I think that

623
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,260
there's a there there and I think the

624
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:42,240
closest the closer that we get to an

625
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:44,039
address the closer that the threat

626
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:49,559
becomes that we actually get the craft

627
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,740
out in the open that's when the pushback

628
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:55,260
happens if we just talk about beings if

629
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:56,580
we just talk about where do they come

630
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,380
from if we just talk about people's

631
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,720
experiences we talk about all that stuff

632
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:03,720
I feel like that's fine like to a lot of

633
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:05,700
people but the second that it turns into

634
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:08,700
something that is about

635
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:12,360
um you know technology that can be

636
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,299
um that can be utilized

637
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,520
um for like the space race or

638
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,039
militarization and things like that then

639
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,799
that gets you to the danger zone you

640
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,720
know and it and at that point you know

641
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,600
you know depending on when they found

642
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,960
this uh craft or whatever it may be like

643
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:33,840
there's a lot that goes with that which

644
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:34,980
is

645
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:37,620
you know potentially decades and decades

646
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,500
worth of straight up lies to everybody

647
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:42,299
to the world

648
00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:45,419
you know and can you imagine like what

649
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,179
that would be like to to admit that for

650
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,220
instance you know this is on a very

651
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,320
small space scale here but recently

652
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,900
Corey good the the biggest grifter in

653
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,240
the world uh there there was a video

654
00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,100
that came out of him basically uh

655
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:01,740
admitting you know his his stories and

656
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:05,460
his tales were fantasy mm-hmm you know

657
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:07,140
how hard that probably was for him to

658
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,220
admit though

659
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,279
you know like you know but

660
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,380
if you the longer you keep a lie the

661
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:16,440
harder it is to come out and say okay

662
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,860
you know it's it's a lie like all these

663
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:21,419
people

664
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:24,179
right that have been invested in this or

665
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,799
whatever like the Air Force sending

666
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,080
letters out to Witnesses one after the

667
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,240
other we have no evidence that it's

668
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,159
interplanetary craft or whatever you

669
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,340
know whatever it is we have no materials

670
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:37,919
you know and CIA memos all that kind of

671
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,760
stuff

672
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,860
and for that to be true for them to come

673
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,320
out admit that so if that language like

674
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,779
you said is is put into legislation

675
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,480
whereby you know they're making it uh

676
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:50,159
encouraging people to come forth with

677
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:52,020
that information you're almost saying

678
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,279
like here let's destroy all trust that

679
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,039
our citizens have in our government

680
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,320
yeah and I'm going to make it easier for

681
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:03,720
you to do that you know

682
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,340
that's tough

683
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,100
yeah and and I feel like don't get me

684
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,080
wrong we should do it and I hope it

685
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:12,480
happens but that's tough you know oh

686
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,539
absolutely I mean I can understand you

687
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,179
know I can understand many layers of

688
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:20,399
like a bind that many well-intentioned

689
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,340
people could feel and even like not so

690
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:25,080
well-intentioned people could feel like

691
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,520
oh my gosh like

692
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,279
you know you find out imagine you're

693
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:32,340
like a career service person and you're

694
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,100
like you're a bureaucrat you're in it in

695
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,679
an unelected position you're 15 years

696
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:40,880
into your career and finally finally

697
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:44,460
you're you're read into a situation go

698
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,419
holy effing s like holy you know like

699
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,360
this is true like I had no idea until

700
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,760
now I wasn't I didn't have a need to

701
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,620
know now I've got to need to know holy

702
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,679
crap and and you know maybe you've

703
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,600
gotten hints in the fat in the past and

704
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:02,399
then all of a sudden there you are 15

705
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:04,740
years in and you've got five years of

706
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,320
service left in front of you

707
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,360
um you know before you get your pension

708
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,039
or whatever you know what I mean say

709
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:12,960
it's that like that right and then it's

710
00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:16,140
like okay you know and then you know

711
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,399
we've heard from so many different

712
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:19,860
people that that's how you you know

713
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,299
you're

714
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,580
they get you you know what I mean in so

715
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,200
many different situations that it's like

716
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:28,020
they dangle your retirement in front of

717
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,840
you and then and then what do you do

718
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,360
after that and then you only there are

719
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:35,820
only certain people in the world maybe

720
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:38,760
like Gary Nolan who has all the money

721
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:41,700
and all the money he could ever want as

722
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,760
far as I know right with all of his

723
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:46,320
patents and things like that he's a very

724
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,659
wealthy guy and then he can mouse off as

725
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,340
much as he wants you know what I mean

726
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,840
what are you gonna do yeah what are you

727
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,399
gonna do to carry Nolan you know what I

728
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:56,100
mean like yeah he's a he's a tenured

729
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,539
professor he was like a

730
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:58,980
multi-millionaire like he can say

731
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:01,140
whatever he wants which recently yeah he

732
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:04,500
was on Jimmy church and um he straight

733
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,220
up you know admitted and said that he he

734
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:09,840
knows

735
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:12,720
so he he thinks that yeah the government

736
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:15,659
has uh something whether it's crafter or

737
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,159
a piece of material and he served from

738
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,440
various sources

739
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,260
um and uh yeah Eric Davis says too so

740
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:23,940
you know and I look through the Blue

741
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:27,179
Book documents and I look at all the uh

742
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:29,159
recovery opportunities and they

743
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,000
definitely had plenty they had if there

744
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,039
was a specimen that was involved with

745
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,740
the UFO sighting they wanted it you know

746
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,840
they would even want to travel outside

747
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,000
of the country to get it you know

748
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,760
whatever Without You Know by the

749
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:46,500
documents without knowing what it is

750
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,500
they would want to secure the specimen

751
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,600
whatever it is and test and analyze it

752
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,700
right and it would go all over the world

753
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:56,100
so all it takes is one all it takes is

754
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,140
one thing

755
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:01,320
you know that's ET technology or ship or

756
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,480
whatever that's all it takes it's one

757
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,340
thing out of the decades and decades

758
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,399
worth of that kind of

759
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,980
um organization of securing specimens

760
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,020
across the world you know for for them

761
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,299
to have something so to me it's really

762
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:18,120
not that far of a stretch man you know

763
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,860
for them to have that we already know

764
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,559
that they have a crash recovery programs

765
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,140
you know like and that's proved in

766
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:29,039
documents it's just it doesn't it you

767
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,380
know they say four in this or foreign

768
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,840
net and moon does this I actually have

769
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:36,419
one document where they talk about the

770
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:39,240
Air Force's interest in the recovery of

771
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,600
unidentified flying objects you know so

772
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,760
but then you know people go well what do

773
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:46,380
they mean by that though that just means

774
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:48,860
it's not identified right away you know

775
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:51,960
but you know like it's all there it's

776
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,440
just we're missing the the piece and and

777
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,779
if you talk to I mean if you hear from

778
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:59,940
anybody even if you go to like you

779
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:01,260
listen to those videos that were

780
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,480
recently released from the SCU

781
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,039
conference that happened earlier this

782
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,559
year right you know they waited like I

783
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,120
don't know six seven months to release

784
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:12,000
the videos from their their conferences

785
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:13,740
um for free

786
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:16,019
um uh we tend to try to release our

787
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:17,279
conference footage a little bit earlier

788
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,659
than that but hey you know Different

789
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:20,399
Strokes for different folks right but

790
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:24,659
like um so like so with SCU you know you

791
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,100
look at that and you can hear from

792
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,980
certain people that are like oh yeah

793
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,899
um like for example John Alexander and

794
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:32,880
others that are like oh yeah you know

795
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,700
and in loose threads there's there's a

796
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:37,620
mention of this too as well you know

797
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:41,760
that that people deliberately obfuscate

798
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:44,279
um sensitive situations even in

799
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,960
documents like that I mean you're well

800
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,820
aware of that of you know uncorrelated

801
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,399
targets like the the acronym name of

802
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:53,519
using like ucts instead of UFOs or or

803
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:55,019
whatever it is there are so many

804
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,480
situations like that and so if somebody

805
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,519
says unidentified flying object if

806
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:01,679
somebody straight up says to you UFOs

807
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:04,440
like that's not it's not all that buried

808
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,640
if you don't want to hear that it's

809
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,740
because it's not it's not buried on the

810
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,480
paper it's buried because your fingers

811
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:12,240
are buried in your ears I feel yeah

812
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,720
totally it said at one point uh you know

813
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,339
it's you know some people have different

814
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:20,399
uh ideas of John Alexander or whatever

815
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,399
but uh I think it was I don't remember

816
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,200
where he said this but it was him that

817
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,960
said this it's like how many times do

818
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,440
people have to be told you know about uh

819
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:34,800
UFOs or or disclosure like I don't know

820
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,060
how many times people got to be told

821
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,040
what's actually going on nobody believes

822
00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:40,800
it nobody cares yeah

823
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,280
and one one instance of that is uh it in

824
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:46,440
the New York Times article or Eric Davis

825
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,460
briefed people on you know

826
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,679
um objects not from this Earth You know

827
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:55,440
I mean

828
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:58,859
and and it's just so crazy how how that

829
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:01,320
just you know I don't want to say slip

830
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:02,700
through the cracks because I think it

831
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:06,300
did it may had a huge impact

832
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,200
um

833
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,720
but for not for everybody you know a lot

834
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:11,339
of people just

835
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,040
they can't accept it what whatever it is

836
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:17,460
it's it's fake it's not real you know

837
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,040
it's a move on it's on the front page of

838
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,800
this or that I don't care it's it's not

839
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,240
real there's something else going on

840
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,040
somebody's lying or or they

841
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:28,500
misunderstood it or it's a psychological

842
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,020
Warfare campaign on our own country or

843
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:35,040
or whatever like it's just crazy

844
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:38,460
yeah because that is that's huge uh

845
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,140
that's a huge emission right there you

846
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,660
know yeah I mean there are a lot of

847
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,220
things about

848
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,440
you know it's it's challenging with this

849
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:48,720
community because again there are there

850
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,020
are people that are adjacent and even

851
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,180
kind of overlap with our community that

852
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:56,820
are very invested in these kinds of

853
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:59,099
programs and as Omega point and hermetic

854
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:00,839
penetrator put in the loose thread stock

855
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:03,180
you know highly recommend it you know

856
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,859
they're there were programs in the 1980s

857
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,500
that we read about where like John

858
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,660
Alexander and kind of like the pre-nids

859
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:14,220
group and stuff like that would be

860
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,859
hanging out in a secure compartmentalize

861
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:19,680
you know confidential facility a skiff

862
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,619
um talking about how do we get

863
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:25,560
you know access to these programs how do

864
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,020
we get access to those saps and and

865
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,660
recoveries and stuff like that and you

866
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,400
know hermetic penetrator and Omega Point

867
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,800
were pointing out that some of these

868
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,200
Skiffs may have actually been housed in

869
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,079
buildings that had access to these saps

870
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,720
themselves right yeah yeah and by the

871
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:44,700
way like what are you doing in a skiff

872
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,920
talking about this stuff if it's all Bs

873
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,660
you know you could right talk about it

874
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,520
in somebody's living room if it's not

875
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:52,500
real you know like you don't need to go

876
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:56,040
to a secure skiff you know and talk

877
00:37:02,030 --> 00:36:58,280
about uh remote viewing you know

878
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:02,040
extraterrestrials or or craft or reverse

879
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,780
engineering it or whatever like you

880
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,060
don't need to all travel to the same

881
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,440
state which I'm sure they all didn't

882
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:09,660
live there you know I'll travel the same

883
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,680
state go into a secure skiff so they can

884
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,660
talk about

885
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,180
um this stuff if it's all just uh you

886
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:20,339
know BS basically right and all these

887
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,099
people are are trained you know help put

888
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,320
off or or who else was involved they're

889
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,000
all trained in different things like

890
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:29,760
their physicist or you know laser

891
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:32,820
experts or whatever you want to say you

892
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,460
know they're not uh trained Liars or

893
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:38,160
psychological warfare officers you know

894
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,140
like

895
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,520
they're trained at their certain thing

896
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,099
they're smart they've put a lot of time

897
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,839
and Research into it went to his gift

898
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,000
that brick and talk about it and this

899
00:37:51,790 --> 00:37:50,700
comes out and you know

900
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:51,800
yeah

901
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:54,540
but even like with the ndaa languages

902
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:56,520
crash retrieval language and the damn

903
00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:58,260
thing they're going to put together like

904
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:00,839
an action task force you know for UFO

905
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,720
reports the news talks about the ndaa

906
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,400
it's not like they don't talk about it

907
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:08,040
they do talk about it they just give no

908
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:11,940
craps about the UFO stuff like right no

909
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,000
are you kidding me yeah well not until

910
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:17,220
and I think that that's that's you know

911
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:20,820
that's the validation factor that people

912
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,300
you know people have gotten used to that

913
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,520
that validation factor that we've gotten

914
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,200
over the past five years where it's like

915
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:30,900
every it feels like every month there's

916
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,660
like a new little breadcrumb that comes

917
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,760
out at least and sometimes it would be

918
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,200
like every week

919
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,660
and then people get addicted to it like

920
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:41,220
heroin or something like that and then

921
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,079
all of a sudden if if something is like

922
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:45,359
two weeks late or three weeks late and

923
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,220
you got to remember that like back in

924
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,440
the 80s the 90s even the aunts like

925
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,280
people got nothing like nothing like

926
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:56,400
zero out of the government or got zero

927
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,660
out of the military like generally

928
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,060
speaking relatively speaking right at

929
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,280
least in terms of like breaching into

930
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:04,980
like Politico the New York Times CNN Fox

931
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,900
News whatever you know you know

932
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,400
mainstream news Outlet you're talking

933
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,560
about or HBO Showtime the stock series

934
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,200
all that kind of stuff and so we've

935
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:15,300
gotten ourselves into a situation where

936
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,160
where

937
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,320
you know that's a slippery slope too

938
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,660
because like depending on validation

939
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,720
from popular culture to validate things

940
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:26,400
like this especially if it's already

941
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,480
being filtered through the

942
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:29,520
military-industrial complex that's a

943
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,140
terrible place to be that's a horrible

944
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,960
place to be like nobody in their right

945
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:36,300
Minds should be like validating their

946
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:38,099
belief system based off of what's

947
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:40,740
happening on television according to me

948
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:43,800
like that's that's like an awful awful

949
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:47,420
place to like to like find

950
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,700
self-confidence uh for anything

951
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:53,460
you know yeah um whether it's like how

952
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,500
you look or whether it's UFOs or you

953
00:40:02,530 --> 00:39:58,079
know whatever else right I always rely

954
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:05,990
yeah and they never do it's been a

955
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,780
depressing nearly 40 years yeah no but

956
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:11,640
yeah you're yeah you're right we've

957
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:14,040
talked about this before like expecting

958
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,780
uh you know something from the

959
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:18,599
government you know and is that uh is

960
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:22,500
that foolish and while yes it is foolish

961
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:26,099
and and you shouldn't need it

962
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:29,640
um I it's such a bizarre

963
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:31,619
hard to believe

964
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:35,579
kind of thing that

965
00:40:40,190 --> 00:40:38,220
you know it's just like you want

966
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:40,200
everything you can to

967
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,380
to you know solidify yourselves and in

968
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,940
what you think you know but what's

969
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,220
interesting to me also is even if the

970
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,440
government did come out and and say that

971
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:51,960
we have this craft and they show you a

972
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:55,079
piece of it or whatever it is or you

973
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:56,040
know

974
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:58,619
I I don't

975
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:01,560
expect everyone to just believe that

976
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,099
either you know that is not going to be

977
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,560
the way it works like the Big D

978
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:09,599
disclosure President Biden comes out and

979
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,579
says you know we have not been we're not

980
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,920
alone and we haven't been alone and in

981
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:16,260
Roswell we did recover a graft and

982
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,700
bodies

983
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,740
that's not going to be just an easy

984
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,780
everybody believes it you know there's

985
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:24,660
going to be so many people who know who

986
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,720
say I call BS and what are you trying to

987
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:30,000
cover up with this and what are you

988
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,940
trying to pull on us and you know you're

989
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:34,680
just trying to the you know the right

990
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:36,420
Wings will probably say you're trying to

991
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,900
probably degrade our faith in God or yep

992
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:43,200
you know and whatever else yeah and if

993
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:45,060
it happened under if it happened under

994
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,099
trump it would have been the same way I

995
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,440
mean people will talk about this all the

996
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,599
time and it's like oh you know this was

997
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,040
like the example that was used for

998
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,500
decades like why don't they land on the

999
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,240
White House lawn that would be the worst

1000
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,280
place they should like

1001
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:01,440
of course like it would be better for

1002
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:03,300
them to show up on the lawn across my

1003
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,740
street in front of like the local

1004
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:06,240
Community College you know what I mean

1005
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,859
like even that would be better than the

1006
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:09,420
white house because you're absolutely

1007
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:11,700
right the white like it's that's like

1008
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,700
the prime spin doctor zone of like the

1009
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,260
United States of America no matter who's

1010
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,200
in office yeah and like no matter what

1011
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,660
happens on the White House lawn even if

1012
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:23,460
it's just somebody pardoning turkeys

1013
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:25,079
like you'll find you can find somebody

1014
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:28,280
that that thinks it's BS you know yeah

1015
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,250
you know I love uh uh you know being

1016
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,180
facetious a little but I love uh Timber

1017
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,579
Chet's response to the White House lawn

1018
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,040
thing because if these things were were

1019
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,119
uh if these things were Russian you can

1020
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:49,800
guarantee Putin come over here and land

1021
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:51,660
on the White House lawn and wrestle

1022
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,839
Biden you know oh yeah yeah yeah and

1023
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,400
then he got like more ornate because he

1024
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,140
did it a few times and then then he

1025
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,060
brought in some unicorns and then he was

1026
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,280
like shirtless I think he said one time

1027
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,440
and he'd be shirtless and he'd be at

1028
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:06,900
work he'd be on a unicorn and I was like

1029
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:08,520
now he's just coming up with words that

1030
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,200
sound really good with his accent I

1031
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,060
think that's what's cute yeah you're

1032
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:14,400
totally just making stuff up right now

1033
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:18,240
yeah which but it was beautiful yeah but

1034
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,500
that's

1035
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,780
kind of changing the subject I guess a

1036
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:22,800
little bit

1037
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,700
um

1038
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:25,859
that's one thing that a lot of people

1039
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:28,619
say is if uh like I heard Gary Nolan say

1040
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:30,599
this too like and we know it's we know

1041
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:32,280
it's not Russian because they've played

1042
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:33,960
their cards they're in Ukraine right

1043
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:36,900
well well what if

1044
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,230
you know whether it was Russian or

1045
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:44,099
whether there's a crash craft reverse

1046
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:45,720
engineered and Russia did it or whatever

1047
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,740
like

1048
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:49,760
would that necessarily equate to uh

1049
00:43:55,809 --> 00:43:53,520
in a perfect weapon system you know not

1050
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,819
like if you're going Hypersonic speeds

1051
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:58,800
you know and even way faster than that

1052
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,500
can you even put guns on that will they

1053
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,560
even work at that speed you know if you

1054
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,020
even know if the things had weapons on

1055
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,560
it you know like maybe they were just

1056
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,720
checking people out or maybe you can

1057
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:14,880
just fly around and that's it you know

1058
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:23,710
destroyed of China or something like

1059
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:29,510
I don't know it might be like the test

1060
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:31,079
flights of the 50s and there's just

1061
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:32,940
people dying left and right for like a

1062
00:44:39,609 --> 00:44:34,859
good 20 30 years you know what I mean

1063
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,870
like pancake you know what I mean

1064
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,339
pancake pancake pancake for a good 10

1065
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,680
years yeah I mean I'm not sure but it

1066
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:48,660
does remind me of an old funny story you

1067
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,980
know there are all these like stories

1068
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,319
about you know and most of it has been

1069
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,839
completely or largely disproven lore

1070
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,420
about like the whole Space Nazis thing

1071
00:45:02,270 --> 00:44:59,940
about how apparent you know in the

1072
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,280
latter stages of World War II that the

1073
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:05,119
Nazis came super close to developing

1074
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,260
anti-gravidic or electrogravidic

1075
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:09,480
technology right and that there were

1076
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,099
experiments done and there probably were

1077
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:13,920
a small scale of experiments but you

1078
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:16,680
know from from the work of say Nick cook

1079
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,319
to all you know Richard Dolan to all

1080
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:21,119
sorts of other people you know there's

1081
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,660
they're like the general consensus at

1082
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:26,520
this point is like well they probably

1083
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,859
didn't get that far from before the end

1084
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,300
or else things might have turned out

1085
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:32,760
differently or whatever right right and

1086
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,300
like and um but one of the fun pieces of

1087
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:38,579
lore and I think I remember hearing this

1088
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,859
through Joseph Farrell maybe was the

1089
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,300
first person to hear this from who was

1090
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:44,099
like a big like Space Nazis guy for a

1091
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,619
while and he's still around and like um

1092
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,000
was uh that they did develop and

1093
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:52,200
electrogravatics they did develop like a

1094
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,319
saucer right and then they put like a

1095
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:57,119
machine gun on the bottom of one but it

1096
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:58,980
threw all the balance off and they got

1097
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,900
discouraged and then at the end of the

1098
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,339
war or something like that right that's

1099
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:04,800
what I'm talking about I loved how bass

1100
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:07,380
that that idea it was though it was just

1101
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,720
so funny like the visual was funny to

1102
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:12,060
think of like you know like a giant gun

1103
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,980
on the bottom of a flying saucer and

1104
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,720
then it just went like straight into a

1105
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,940
mountain because like it's through

1106
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:19,800
everything oh and then them just being

1107
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,809
I I you know I always I always thought

1108
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:29,040
that that was a funny idea like you know

1109
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:30,680
yeah yeah

1110
00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:34,200
no and there's uh

1111
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,980
I have no doubt that um you know

1112
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,660
governments around the world have worked

1113
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,119
on anti-group you know gravitics

1114
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:44,880
probably as since

1115
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,640
probably forever you know I mean even

1116
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,680
going through different like uh Blue

1117
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:52,020
Book stuff you'll find letters once in a

1118
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,060
while there's a handful of letters that

1119
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,579
like were sent to the Air Force or one

1120
00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,280
of the FBI or whatever where this guy

1121
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,280
claims to know the the secret of the

1122
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,440
saucers and you got to be able to

1123
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,420
control gravity and all that kind of

1124
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,400
stuff you know and that goes back to

1125
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,500
like the 50s so if these random people

1126
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:12,060
are right in the Air Force thinking

1127
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,040
about anti-gravity you could be damn

1128
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,980
sure that you know uh scientists are

1129
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,240
already trying to work on that because

1130
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:21,000
it make the perfect machine right and

1131
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,060
that's what you're trying to do and you

1132
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:25,920
know the the Raider that just came out

1133
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,260
or whatever the B2 Raider whatever

1134
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,020
that's apparently the the best we can

1135
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,420
come up with you know which is a far cry

1136
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:37,079
from an anti-gravity machine you know

1137
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:38,819
that can just pretty much do whatever

1138
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,900
you want

1139
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:42,060
which is interesting right because if we

1140
00:47:46,569 --> 00:47:44,040
had crashcraft

1141
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:46,579
you know or technology

1142
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:49,859
would first of all wouldn't we have

1143
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:52,619
something better than that radar that

1144
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,319
Raider and then two wouldn't we like the

1145
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:59,280
nuclear fusion thing just like SEC uh

1146
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,260
secretary energy Department energy or

1147
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:03,359
whatever comes out and you know they

1148
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,920
they conquered that

1149
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,619
and that's on the news

1150
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:10,680
so it just makes me think like

1151
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,260
like all those Greer stories where they

1152
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,780
you know they just will hunt 100 Hunter

1153
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:17,460
after you if you come up with a power

1154
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,460
system that works off of water and you

1155
00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:22,859
know the screw the oil company and all

1156
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:24,119
that stuff they'll come after you

1157
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:26,339
they'll murder you and now they just

1158
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:28,260
came out and said no like we can do it

1159
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:30,119
you know we can come up with free clean

1160
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:33,060
energy you know so yeah is any of that

1161
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,420
really true I don't know well it's and

1162
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,280
yeah and you know there I just going

1163
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,599
along with what you're saying as a

1164
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:41,339
thought experiment it is possible to say

1165
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,500
like okay you know maybe they did go

1166
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:45,540
after people that figured out how to you

1167
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,220
know power a car with water and or

1168
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,680
hydrogen you know and that's that's you

1169
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,000
know there's definitely stories out

1170
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,880
there about that and then you know what

1171
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,020
we heard from the Department of energy

1172
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:57,180
is like oh we conquered Fusion at least

1173
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:00,060
on a very small scale and and that's

1174
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,740
amazing that's historic it's first time

1175
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:03,480
in history we've done that which is yeah

1176
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:06,180
is that true we don't know and then at

1177
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,619
the same time and then at the same time

1178
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,960
they're saying like and it'll probably

1179
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,660
end it'll probably be decades before we

1180
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,240
can do it on scale right you know what I

1181
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,280
mean they do that too and so those those

1182
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,920
things can go together you know it would

1183
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,300
be very easy to put those things

1184
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,579
together where it's like okay yeah like

1185
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:25,920
maybe like they still don't want to tell

1186
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,540
you that it's easy to to get a lot of

1187
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:29,520
energy out of a cup of water

1188
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,020
um but they'll tell us that eventually

1189
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:33,420
we'll have free energy in 25 years or

1190
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:35,220
something like that yeah those those

1191
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,260
aren't completely mutually exclusive as

1192
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,380
far as possibilities go in a while you

1193
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,420
know they're they're almost uh yeah so

1194
00:49:45,609 --> 00:49:44,040
it's almost kind of like a humble brag

1195
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,619
right

1196
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,960
like something to make Joe Biden look

1197
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:50,880
good or or the government look good

1198
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:53,819
right like yeah or get other countries

1199
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,500
to be friends with you so you can teach

1200
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,079
them how to do it or I don't know

1201
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,260
I mean at the same time I do think that

1202
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,880
there's at least

1203
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:05,280
I would venture to guess with the amount

1204
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:06,300
of

1205
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,800
like triangular craft and stuff like

1206
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,920
that over like like Air Force Proving

1207
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,319
Grounds and things like that or flying

1208
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,440
towards or away from certain Air Force

1209
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,560
sites I think that there's like a strong

1210
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:25,680
strong possibility that that some

1211
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:28,980
version of electrogravidics exists and

1212
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,260
has been you know

1213
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:33,780
um has been utilized

1214
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:36,660
and either through reverse engineering

1215
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:39,060
or they had a craft and they sit there

1216
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:40,859
and they workshopped it enough to figure

1217
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:43,560
out something else that works that might

1218
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,300
not be as staple might not be as

1219
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,920
advanced might have a different control

1220
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,440
panel or whatever might be driven by a

1221
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:51,839
different energy source but it was

1222
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,619
derived or inspired by you know like

1223
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,359
things that they'd people had seen in

1224
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,460
the sky and maybe even things that

1225
00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:02,280
people had recovered and I I think that

1226
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:03,780
there's a strong possibility there I've

1227
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:07,260
seen you know correlating maps and and

1228
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:10,680
that see would seem to suggest that

1229
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:13,079
either some of those triangular craft

1230
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,300
what people often call the tr3bs or

1231
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:17,640
something like that are a secret Air

1232
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:19,980
Force project or

1233
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:23,940
something similar to that or are

1234
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:27,300
um you know stretching out a bit it just

1235
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,059
so happens that like one of the various

1236
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,980
visiting civilizations or crypto

1237
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:34,800
terrestrial civilizations or whatever

1238
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,220
um is is for some reason completely

1239
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,800
obsessed with you know a half dozen

1240
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,500
certain Air Force facilities you know

1241
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,140
what I mean maybe I guess I could see

1242
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:49,140
that but like as far as as far as you

1243
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,520
know when you're talking about like

1244
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,079
Reaper drones and things like that or

1245
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:54,420
people like you know that is one area

1246
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:57,900
where I do have some overlap with some

1247
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,359
of the more skeptical people in in our

1248
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,099
community where it's like I do think

1249
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:04,980
that you know it's very very possible

1250
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:08,000
and even likely that there are

1251
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:09,680
electrogravidics working

1252
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:11,460
electrogravidics programs that are

1253
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:12,420
deeply

1254
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,940
are you know better being utilized at

1255
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,619
places like Wright-Patterson you know I

1256
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,079
think that that's probably true

1257
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,020
um yeah I mean you know I found it

1258
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,540
pretty strange one you know I looked

1259
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:29,040
through the blue book reports and find

1260
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,240
that

1261
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,839
um Ohio as the actual most recorded you

1262
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,520
know sightings in there when you search

1263
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,319
it you know more than other states

1264
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,900
what's in Ohio right Patterson Air Force

1265
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,540
Base you know yeah so

1266
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,460
yeah and

1267
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:46,440
I could totally see that and I know that

1268
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:48,359
they've known about ion propulsion since

1269
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:49,800
the 50s because of Blue Book

1270
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,740
investigations like I've like I've gone

1271
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,720
through that in an episode like a long

1272
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,000
time ago but and that's a silent

1273
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,640
propulsion it's very low thrust as far

1274
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:01,440
as we know like so you can only go so

1275
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:04,619
fast but if to me like maybe that's just

1276
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,180
what they want you to think at this

1277
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:08,520
point if they've known about it for 70

1278
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:10,020
years you don't think they could have

1279
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,339
figured out how to get a little more

1280
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:13,980
Thrust out of it by now you know like

1281
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:17,760
and have a silent uh electric propulsion

1282
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:21,740
by now so yeah yeah I don't know

1283
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,540
you know it's it's uh definitely

1284
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:26,760
interesting especially

1285
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,980
you know I think about uh the like

1286
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:31,619
direct energy weapons and lasers and all

1287
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,059
that and how some of those people like

1288
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,640
John Alexander who have worked on that

1289
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:38,880
stuff are involved in this UFO stuff and

1290
00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:40,920
I just wonder sometimes like it always

1291
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:44,099
seems like the direct energy weapons the

1292
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,119
RV stuff remote viewing and UFOs are

1293
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:50,280
always like tied together with these

1294
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:53,940
people you know yeah yeah and and the

1295
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:55,380
closer you get to the directed energy

1296
00:53:59,950 --> 00:53:57,660
weapons the worse off you are I mean

1297
00:54:03,170 --> 00:53:59,960
both literally and

1298
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,180
like yeah physically and theoretically

1299
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:05,220
in terms of like you know it's a real

1300
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,520
hot button issue but like as we saw you

1301
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:10,260
know in some of those dirts you know

1302
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:12,540
when people like kit green you know

1303
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:16,200
we're tasked with looking at

1304
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,220
um the the effects of people that came

1305
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:22,920
too close to craft and you know you know

1306
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,559
had radiation damage and things like

1307
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:27,720
that and then the point of that that as

1308
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,940
we saw in one of those dirts was to be

1309
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,400
able to weaponize that right right and

1310
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,800
what is that that's a like buy you know

1311
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:36,480
that that's a directed energy weapon

1312
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:38,220
that's what that is I mean you know if

1313
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:39,540
you just take the words together that's

1314
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:40,800
what that would be a directed another

1315
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,700
joint right right and um and as I heard

1316
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,440
from somebody the other day who I can't

1317
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:47,760
name like

1318
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,920
you know a really a really great Avenue

1319
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,420
you know there's still a lot in those

1320
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:56,339
dirts that people haven't pulled apart

1321
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:58,920
and one thing that somebody was saying

1322
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,040
the other day to me was you know you

1323
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,800
have to look at the people that were on

1324
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,720
those papers that were tasked with those

1325
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:07,680
papers

1326
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,140
and like what they came out with and

1327
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,240
then you need to look at like who they

1328
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,520
were writing with and like what other

1329
00:55:19,490 --> 00:55:17,040
papers weren't necessarily those turrets

1330
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,500
but we're but we're done by those people

1331
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:22,079
or people within their academic networks

1332
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:24,300
that might have been about Material

1333
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:27,000
Sciences or anything along the lines

1334
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:29,940
that the the topics that were covered in

1335
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,480
those thirds and were kind of the covers

1336
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,059
that they used in those turrets to talk

1337
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:38,880
about UFOs without talking about UFOs or

1338
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,339
yeah the the one thing that stood out to

1339
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,859
me so much in those stairs is uh this is

1340
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:46,200
a freaking reverse engineering program

1341
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:47,339
right

1342
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,800
yeah you know like if they're trying to

1343
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:52,440
figure out uh what makes you know the

1344
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,800
injuries right so they can

1345
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,079
you know figure out how to make that

1346
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,720
thing that makes that injuries you know

1347
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,579
and all the different propulsion

1348
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,500
Concepts that Eric Davis had to come up

1349
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,559
with you know to probably see which one

1350
00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:09,359
could this

1351
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:11,720
could be this ship you know or whatever

1352
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,000
or so yeah I don't know a lot of that

1353
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:17,339
seems to me like they're trying to build

1354
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:20,180
a spaceship for sure that can travel

1355
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:23,880
Interstellar and why are these people

1356
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,480
tasked with it that are invested in UFOs

1357
00:56:31,569 --> 00:56:29,819
could it be because I don't know they

1358
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,579
have one

1359
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:34,319
yeah you know and and you know there's

1360
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,059
those old quotes from Ben Rich from

1361
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,760
Lucky Lockheed Skunk Works about now we

1362
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,099
have the technology to send DT back home

1363
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,200
he was saying that you know 20 plus

1364
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,540
years ago you know who knows if that was

1365
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,059
just that was like a cool tagline to

1366
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:50,400
scare people or if that was true I'm not

1367
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,160
entirely sure right but you know people

1368
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,160
quoted often and I think that there's

1369
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:59,099
you know it's it's important I think to

1370
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:01,079
recognize that like

1371
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:03,900
folks like you and I and many others you

1372
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,420
know people like to paint

1373
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:08,400
people like you and I as like quote

1374
00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:10,460
unquote Believers or something like that

1375
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,040
and for for on one level it's like

1376
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:16,200
you've seen wild stuff I've seen wild

1377
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,099
stuff

1378
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:20,880
and it's not about belief in on a

1379
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,440
certain level it's about knowing because

1380
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:24,660
you've had the personal experience and

1381
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,300
it's different than like believing in

1382
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:29,940
you know Buddha or Jesus Christ or

1383
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:31,500
whatever you want to say because like

1384
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,059
when you see something in front of you

1385
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,400
and you have like an interaction with it

1386
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,559
that's a different scenario then then

1387
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:39,420
like some kind of then like believing in

1388
00:57:44,109 --> 00:57:41,339
Santa Claus or whatever right totally

1389
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:44,119
and and then at the same time it's like

1390
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:48,599
there's also this idea that because like

1391
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:51,960
somebody like me has has

1392
00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:55,559
who to me like a subjective knowledge

1393
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,900
that that some of these beings exist and

1394
00:58:01,970 --> 00:58:00,119
stuff like this and or you that you know

1395
00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:01,980
strange phenomena that aren't exactly

1396
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:03,960
craft are sometimes flying through the

1397
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:06,119
sky and or whatever else precognitive

1398
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:08,339
dreams happen you know whatever else you

1399
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:10,440
want to say that way you know that

1400
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:12,180
that's for some reason because we

1401
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:14,339
believe that we can't also believe that

1402
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:16,140
there could be reverse engineered

1403
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,819
electric gravitic technology or

1404
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:19,200
something like that and the reality is

1405
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,300
it's like well one can beget the other

1406
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:23,520
you know what I mean like because we

1407
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,740
have recovered craft or not you know

1408
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,020
that can also provide the cover and it

1409
00:58:33,049 --> 00:58:30,540
can it can help explain the whole damn

1410
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:33,059
thing you know that's why things are so

1411
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:35,160
secret it's not that they it's not that

1412
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,020
the government cares that we know that

1413
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,180
Grays exist it's not like they're like

1414
00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:41,400
oh God we're so worried about their

1415
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:43,619
there's health and safety you know what

1416
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:45,900
I mean like can you imagine like after

1417
00:58:49,370 --> 00:58:47,339
this pandemic and all this stuff like

1418
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:49,380
that they're like oh gosh we're gonna

1419
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:50,940
give them all they're all going to

1420
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:51,900
stress out they're all going to be so

1421
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,940
anxious if they know the grace exhaust

1422
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:55,920
no I don't think

1423
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,260
I think it's that that like you know

1424
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,440
exploiting technology is a really key

1425
00:59:05,049 --> 00:59:03,900
thing that that nobody wants to get out

1426
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,059
right

1427
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:07,619
and like that's that's the kind of stuff

1428
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,299
that they're just trained into not

1429
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:11,400
allowing people to have but if one

1430
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,380
begets then the other then it helps

1431
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:15,660
explain why all the secrecy it helps

1432
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:18,119
explain why why we don't get straight

1433
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,280
answers it helps explain why we walk

1434
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,380
into a Hall of Mirrors every time we

1435
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:24,540
look at one of John greenwald's new PDFs

1436
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,660
from the Pentagon and it helps explain

1437
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,720
you know like why we have to keep

1438
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:33,119
working on this ourselves and why

1439
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,099
Private Industry and academics have to

1440
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,960
keep working on this

1441
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:39,599
um because you know we have plenty of

1442
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,980
data like people have been talking about

1443
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,960
in the chat there are too many cases

1444
00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:45,180
there are too many witnesses this has

1445
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:48,180
been going on since time immemorium and

1446
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:50,760
and you know and we can talk about it

1447
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,819
with each other and we can realize that

1448
00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:55,920
there's enough intelligence

1449
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,099
and Humanity like invested in the

1450
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:01,440
situation now that it's a you know it's

1451
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:04,260
breached the water enough that that you

1452
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:05,700
know people are starting to get funded

1453
01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:07,380
for stuff like this you know science and

1454
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:09,059
scientific organizations Venture

1455
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,440
capitalists and all these people are

1456
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:12,480
starting to get funded you know are all

1457
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:13,619
of them going to do it for the right

1458
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:16,980
reasons probably not you know does is it

1459
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,079
more possible that we might get more out

1460
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:21,960
of them than somebody that's like being

1461
01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:24,299
paid to keep secrets for their entire

1462
01:00:28,809 --> 01:00:25,380
career

1463
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,819
possibly you know

1464
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,440
and like maybe that's a good thing and

1465
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:33,960
that's a great Point like how long can

1466
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,440
you keep up Secrets before you know

1467
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:40,079
Private Industry just really

1468
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:42,660
cat not only catches up but surpasses

1469
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:46,319
you right you know yeah like how long

1470
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,780
can you really keep that secret uh

1471
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,119
before you know like let's just say for

1472
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,359
example avilo and the Galileo project

1473
01:00:58,010 --> 01:00:55,920
catches a lot of crazy things on camera

1474
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,020
and releases it all to the public which

1475
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,520
is what he's going to do and what if

1476
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:01,319
there's some crazy stuff in there you

1477
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,619
know they're really gonna let a private

1478
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:06,960
non-profit like the Galileo project come

1479
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:09,920
up with this stuff and show people

1480
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:13,260
are they really gonna let that happen I

1481
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:14,520
don't think that they would let that

1482
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,540
happen

1483
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:17,760
I mean it's interesting because you know

1484
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:20,460
like you know we've we've talked to

1485
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:22,500
we've you know obvious been on witness

1486
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,380
citizen what two three times

1487
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:28,559
um and and you know I

1488
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:31,559
it's funny because I was you know Gary

1489
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,500
Nolan was at the conference in October I

1490
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,760
was speaking to him a bit he was

1491
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:37,140
speaking to the whole audience you know

1492
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,460
do you ask me anything and stuff like

1493
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:40,799
this and he was just on Jimmy church

1494
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:43,020
this week and you know he's throwing

1495
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,460
himself out there and it was interesting

1496
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:46,319
because of course Avi lobe and Gary

1497
01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:49,220
Nolan did a recent conversation together

1498
01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:51,780
you know a couple weeks back and it's

1499
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:54,540
weird because you see them like largely

1500
01:01:59,569 --> 01:01:56,460
agreeing with each other and you and I

1501
01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:59,579
both you know ostensibly like Avi loves

1502
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:01,319
work and think that he's you know making

1503
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:02,940
a positive difference and that Gary

1504
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:04,200
Nolan's making a very positive

1505
01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:05,640
difference and at the same time when

1506
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,619
they're when they're both together it's

1507
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,020
interesting because it sounds like like

1508
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:12,000
Gary's talking from four years in the

1509
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,339
future and avi's talking from like 10

1510
01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:16,799
years ago on one level you know what I

1511
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:18,660
mean because he's like he's still doing

1512
01:02:25,069 --> 01:02:21,240
that kind of Michio Kaku like what if

1513
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,079
what if like it's possible that there is

1514
01:02:30,010 --> 01:02:27,119
an interstate Gary no one's like hey bro

1515
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:30,020
we got recovered Crafter

1516
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,040
like the other side of the screen and

1517
01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:34,440
he's like yeah I saw I saw a craft when

1518
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:35,880
I was a paper boy when I was like 10.

1519
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:37,980
this isn't a big like you know what I

1520
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,380
mean and they still you know they like

1521
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:43,260
like good academics they they can be

1522
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:44,940
respectful to each other and appreciate

1523
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:46,920
what each other are contributing to the

1524
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,559
conversation and that they both in that

1525
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,540
they're both talking to two different

1526
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,760
audiences at the same time and that's

1527
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:55,440
that's essentially what they're doing

1528
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,799
and what what what people and the

1529
01:03:02,809 --> 01:03:00,660
audience sometimes need to recognize is

1530
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,819
that like that that's what's happening

1531
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,980
there are different people that are that

1532
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:06,960
are putting themselves out there into

1533
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:09,660
the public eye that are speaking that

1534
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:12,180
are making a point to speak to different

1535
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:16,200
people at different developmental stages

1536
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:19,079
of the conversation there are people

1537
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,880
that are deliberately out there that

1538
01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:22,799
know way better that are like what if

1539
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:24,119
what if

1540
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:26,339
and then you have people like Gary Nolan

1541
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:28,619
that are deliberately talking to people

1542
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:31,020
that have like an above average IQ

1543
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:33,720
essentially you know generally speaking

1544
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:36,540
right and that's and and you know those

1545
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,940
two those two have overlapping audience

1546
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,680
as well there are people that need what

1547
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:43,260
if that are that are you know way above

1548
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:46,799
average you know thinkers and so what

1549
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:48,900
you're saying is like uh almost like

1550
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,780
obvious it speaks to the people that uh

1551
01:03:56,990 --> 01:03:53,280
may have not had their own sighting

1552
01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:57,000
maybe are interested in or maybe they're

1553
01:04:02,030 --> 01:03:58,920
not even interested and he's the one

1554
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:02,040
taking over that conversation where Gary

1555
01:04:06,370 --> 01:04:04,140
Nolan is uh kind of talking to the

1556
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:06,380
people that definitely are interested

1557
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:09,960
yeah and and no you know

1558
01:04:14,089 --> 01:04:12,660
um that something funny is going on and

1559
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:14,099
he's kind of trying to help with that

1560
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,720
conversation yeah so it's it's it's

1561
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:18,240
pretty interesting but he also plays it

1562
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:21,540
he also plays it uh uh a little probably

1563
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:23,819
more cool than he really is as far as

1564
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,339
what he thinks on it you know he doesn't

1565
01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:28,559
he still kind of ends it with the

1566
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,359
speculation I don't mind speculating

1567
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:33,000
about this or that but I think he knows

1568
01:04:37,849 --> 01:04:34,920
more than he leads on it basically is

1569
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,859
what I'm saying oh yeah yeah I mean I

1570
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:39,839
think just about anybody that's on that

1571
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:42,540
level that is in this conversation

1572
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:45,000
like would Avi lobe even be really be

1573
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:46,740
doing this stuff unless he knew

1574
01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:49,859
something would he really do that like

1575
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,140
you gotta sometimes I think people don't

1576
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:54,559
really take under consideration

1577
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:58,200
uh what people really are putting at

1578
01:05:03,309 --> 01:05:00,119
risk and throwing out their like Avi

1579
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,319
Loeb is built a legacy for himself

1580
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,180
academically speaking you know

1581
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,160
and then just go out there and go after

1582
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:10,500
uaps and talk about aliens and stuff

1583
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:12,660
like that's

1584
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:15,900
in essence like if he's not really sure

1585
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:18,180
that I'll find something I don't see

1586
01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:20,339
someone like that doing this

1587
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:22,980
you know yeah like that's that's a risk

1588
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:25,260
like that and after everything you've

1589
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:27,059
done in your career

1590
01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:28,859
to go like what let's say he doesn't

1591
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,140
find something right and he goes down

1592
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,599
the guy who chased aliens that's gonna

1593
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:35,760
be you know what people remember him for

1594
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,079
like

1595
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:40,319
I don't think this guy's gonna do this

1596
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:42,780
stuff without knowing a little bit more

1597
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:44,819
than he leads on is it same with Gary

1598
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,119
Nolan you know same with Gary Nolan and

1599
01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:50,160
other people like people don't realize

1600
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,440
that if nothing's founder they just you

1601
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:54,240
know they just keep doing this stuff

1602
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:57,180
that they're going to be remembered as a

1603
01:06:02,089 --> 01:05:59,220
crazy alien guy and you know that's

1604
01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:02,099
important to people their legacy they

1605
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:03,180
work hard

1606
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:05,400
Gary Nolan Avi Works super hard to get

1607
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,540
where they are and they're not just

1608
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:09,000
going to throw it away on you know

1609
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,359
chasing uh aliens so to speak you know

1610
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:14,760
yeah a hundred percent I mean I think I

1611
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,500
think you're right and that could have

1612
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:18,299
been a recent conversation and it's also

1613
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,040
important to remember like you know if

1614
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,839
you read

1615
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:23,760
um Obvious book

1616
01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:26,579
um extraterrestrial from from from two

1617
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,440
years ago or whatever yeah it's just

1618
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:30,119
almost exactly two years ago I think

1619
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,440
that it came out is that right or maybe

1620
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:32,880
it was more recently than that something

1621
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:34,740
like that yeah it's it's funny because

1622
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,920
like you know we're so past in so many

1623
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:39,599
ways we're so past that point in the

1624
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:41,220
conversation already and it's like that

1625
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,839
was a best-selling book that got a lot

1626
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:45,299
of play you know and it's recent and

1627
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:46,920
we're still we're just in some ways

1628
01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:48,359
people think we're moving slowly but in

1629
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,500
a lot of ways we're moving up the speed

1630
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:51,539
of light relative to what we're what we

1631
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,640
were before and but in the early

1632
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,799
chapters of that book Avi was talking

1633
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:57,480
about how he was talking about his early

1634
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,660
career and he was talking about how he

1635
01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:02,160
was

1636
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:07,260
actually working out at Princeton in his

1637
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:10,440
early academic career and he was working

1638
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:12,420
um uh basically for a Princeton Think

1639
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,039
Tank

1640
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,440
um working on the Star Wars program

1641
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,720
right and so that was like a defense

1642
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:21,119
program I mean as I'm remember

1643
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,680
remembering this off the top of my head

1644
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,720
so it might have been a project adjacent

1645
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,920
to what was called the Star Wars program

1646
01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:27,960
but we're basically talking about a

1647
01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:29,700
situation where in the early 80s there's

1648
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:31,319
this big initiative that Reagan put on

1649
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,480
where it's like okay we need to defend

1650
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,940
we need to be able to defend our for our

1651
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:38,400
ourselves from space with lasers or

1652
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,780
something like that we need to be able

1653
01:07:43,549 --> 01:07:41,760
to do that so that like people can send

1654
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:43,559
missiles and we can just go Boop and

1655
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,539
then you know the missiles are gone

1656
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,760
right and Avi was working on one of

1657
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,920
those programs initially well you know

1658
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,960
do you think that you get and he said

1659
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,940
that you know this was part of like he's

1660
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,680
from Israel and this is part of like you

1661
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:58,140
know an international Consortium of

1662
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,119
people working on defense projects you

1663
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,339
know does a person like that get a get a

1664
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:03,839
gig like that without having a security

1665
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,440
clearance probably not you know does

1666
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:09,359
does somebody that's as smart as avilo

1667
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,579
keep his security security clearance

1668
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,160
probably does he still have it 40 years

1669
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:16,920
later I don't know but like does but in

1670
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:19,560
that time span like when he did you know

1671
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:21,480
we know or at least we've heard from

1672
01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:24,420
people like Lou Elizondo and many other

1673
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:26,819
folks you know that

1674
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,400
um that if you if you just have access

1675
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,679
to jaywicks you know the the kind of

1676
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:33,600
confidential military version of the

1677
01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:35,580
internet that is air gapped from our

1678
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,779
internet

1679
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:39,480
um you can see better classified UAP

1680
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,460
footage and there's a bunch of those

1681
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:43,799
videos and you know people have like

1682
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,960
hinted and openly talked about it for

1683
01:08:49,309 --> 01:08:47,520
years now that it's like well if we

1684
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:49,319
could just even throw out like five of

1685
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:50,759
those videos that are on jaywicks or

1686
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:52,620
whatever it'd be a different we'd be

1687
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,839
having a different conversation well you

1688
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,359
know if AVI has has kept any of that

1689
01:09:02,450 --> 01:08:59,279
security clearance that he probably had

1690
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:02,460
from back in the day then even just that

1691
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,380
would be enough for him to be kind of

1692
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,239
like past the point of the conversation

1693
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:08,400
that he that he publicly proclaims on on

1694
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:10,199
TV and on podcasts and stuff like that

1695
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,319
right yeah it's just he's doing his part

1696
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:15,120
as you were saying right yeah and he

1697
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:16,980
could have learned something then that

1698
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:19,080
you know he's not able to share without

1699
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:22,020
getting in trouble and maybe he wants it

1700
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,259
to be out but maybe somebody won't put

1701
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,839
it up so maybe he's saying well I'll

1702
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:29,580
just put it out myself

1703
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,520
and by doing that you know he puts this

1704
01:09:36,349 --> 01:09:34,560
project together or something maybe who

1705
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:36,359
knows you know

1706
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,299
um but yeah I just um like some of these

1707
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:41,520
people take are taking extreme risks to

1708
01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:43,140
come out and talk about this stuff I

1709
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,179
think 100

1710
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,759
and I think that's uh not take into

1711
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:48,719
account

1712
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,239
enough you know

1713
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:52,799
um and then the whole like there's

1714
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:54,840
things like grifters or going after

1715
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:57,420
money or stuff when you know that these

1716
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:58,620
people

1717
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:01,560
have it made you know they've worked

1718
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,300
their butt off to have it made but they

1719
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,460
have it made they have their career they

1720
01:10:09,229 --> 01:10:07,199
have their money they don't need the

1721
01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:09,239
grip they don't need to

1722
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,580
you know fundraise for a non-profit

1723
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:13,920
organizations to find UFOs they don't

1724
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:16,620
need any of that stuff you know so

1725
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:17,880
um

1726
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,580
yeah so you know I'm excited to see what

1727
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:23,520
comes from it me too you know I won't

1728
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,860
hold my breath but I'm I'm still happy

1729
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:27,360
that they're doing it you know you know

1730
01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:29,640
me too and and you know along the lines

1731
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:31,620
of money you know it's such a it it's

1732
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,900
it's always on people's minds in this

1733
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:35,280
community and I think one of the things

1734
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:38,040
is that like it deserves to be said once

1735
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:40,860
again that like you know people do need

1736
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:43,620
money to live and like we do live in a

1737
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:47,040
world where it's like where we as much

1738
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:50,820
as as so many people within ufology that

1739
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,159
follow ufology are kind of futurists

1740
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,719
where we're all kind of projecting out

1741
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,040
into like what's the world going to be

1742
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:58,260
like in 10 years 50 years six years and

1743
01:11:03,229 --> 01:11:01,020
people want to like project themselves

1744
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,239
into that Jetson's lifestyle where you

1745
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,400
know you live in Cloud City you know

1746
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,679
food like automatically is made for you

1747
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:09,540
for free like it is on Star Trek you

1748
01:11:13,729 --> 01:11:11,640
know it's just created out thin air and

1749
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,739
all that other stuff right and like and

1750
01:11:19,010 --> 01:11:15,360
people want that but at the same time

1751
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:19,020
like we all you know we all have rent or

1752
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,580
bills to pay we all have to go to the

1753
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:23,760
grocery store we all you know and at

1754
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,000
this and for some reason you know if if

1755
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:29,520
people in our community aren't allowed

1756
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:31,560
to make money even from selling a book

1757
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:34,380
or like putting together an event

1758
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,360
or like or like doing a show or whatever

1759
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:39,120
like if you can't make any money off of

1760
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:42,540
doing that then you're intentionally if

1761
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:44,699
you're kind of like haranguing people

1762
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,600
about that and there's some kind of like

1763
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:50,400
inbuilt pressure system within this

1764
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,380
community that nobody can make money off

1765
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:55,679
of it then you're basically feeding an

1766
01:12:01,850 --> 01:11:58,260
exterior system that wants to impoverish

1767
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,860
this community so that it's like this

1768
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:05,040
work can only be done by like hobbyists

1769
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:07,320
sure burnouts people that burn

1770
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:08,580
themselves out because they're doing

1771
01:12:13,370 --> 01:12:11,100
stuff case in point if I made money off

1772
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:13,380
of this stuff there are other things

1773
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:15,960
that I would do like I would go to the

1774
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:18,060
national archives in Washington I would

1775
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:20,900
go look at the documents in New Mexico

1776
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:24,120
uh by marlar and I would do way more

1777
01:12:29,689 --> 01:12:27,239
research like that but I don't make any

1778
01:12:30,850 --> 01:12:29,699
money from it so I'm stuck

1779
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:30,860
yeah

1780
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:34,260
and I'm okay with that but uh I'm just

1781
01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:36,060
saying case in point like more things

1782
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,040
are possible but we touched on this

1783
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:39,840
earlier is people like Corey good they

1784
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,940
ruin it for everybody else you know it's

1785
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:43,500
true but then there just has to be

1786
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:45,179
discernment where it's like okay like

1787
01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:47,699
nobody is requiring I mean there's so

1788
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,140
many situations where it's like nobody's

1789
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,140
requiring anybody to contribute to any

1790
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,360
one particular person like you know I'm

1791
01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:56,640
I didn't give money to Corey good you

1792
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:58,340
know what I mean yeah no

1793
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:01,260
but I you know but I I bought all of

1794
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:03,540
Leslie's books you know what I mean and

1795
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,699
some of that got back to her you know

1796
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:07,440
what I mean and like there's people you

1797
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:09,060
know you vote by contributing to what

1798
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,500
you believe in and like you're not

1799
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,360
forced to do anything else and like I

1800
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:13,920
just think that like I don't think this

1801
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,920
field you know we can't get to a further

1802
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:19,020
place because we're looking at people

1803
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:21,239
that are Venture capitalists like like

1804
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,980
Gary and others and we're like go

1805
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:24,719
Venture capitalists and then they

1806
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:26,820
already have millions of dollars and

1807
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:28,620
then and then people are bitching at us

1808
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:30,260
about making five dollars

1809
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,659
or ten dollars or twenty dollars and

1810
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,340
it's like by the way I'm surprised to

1811
01:13:39,490 --> 01:13:36,960
see you in the same house after your

1812
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:39,500
event you know oh I know right yeah yeah

1813
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,679
right yeah yeah management yeah I made I

1814
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:45,600
made less than minimum wage and I still

1815
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,880
got crap for it it's ridiculous

1816
01:13:52,130 --> 01:13:49,920
but like yeah I don't know what gave you

1817
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,140
crap but that is uh and I said this on

1818
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:53,760
my last show but that is just completely

1819
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:56,460
ridiculous I love the way you you do

1820
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,300
your event because it you advertise it

1821
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:03,420
as what it is we're in inquiry into the

1822
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:05,340
anomalous you know we're a group of

1823
01:14:08,810 --> 01:14:07,080
like-minded people getting together and

1824
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:08,820
listening to people talk about it that

1825
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:11,580
we respect you know and you're charging

1826
01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:14,460
what is basically lunch in New York

1827
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:16,520
yeah you know

1828
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,320
you know lunch in New York literally is

1829
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,480
like 30 and that's what you're charging

1830
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:24,000
per person you know like

1831
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:24,780
um

1832
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:26,580
so

1833
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:28,679
that's pretty cool that you're putting

1834
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:30,420
that together at an affordable Ridge so

1835
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,820
people can come together and and do

1836
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,560
stuff like that you know and I'm sorry

1837
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,719
if that means that you know those people

1838
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:39,120
might spend less time on your Twitter

1839
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:42,600
page or whoever the the person is or on

1840
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:44,219
their YouTube watching their videos and

1841
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:45,480
actually going to Something in person

1842
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,699
I'm sorry you know but

1843
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,159
um there's people people want to do that

1844
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:53,040
you know so but I I'm but I'm really

1845
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,260
happy that there is you know I think

1846
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:57,540
it's great you know nobody's required to

1847
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:59,159
like come to any of my events or

1848
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:01,020
nobody's required to Super Chat you or

1849
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:02,820
become patreons of anybody like there's

1850
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:05,580
no you know you know people it's like we

1851
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:07,080
forget we're all adults in the room

1852
01:15:13,550 --> 01:15:11,159
right right yeah yeah exactly it's like

1853
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:13,560
people are okay with paying you know

1854
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:15,420
eight dollars for you know a streaming

1855
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,820
service that they don't even use but the

1856
01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:19,560
second you know or whatever you know

1857
01:15:24,530 --> 01:15:22,920
what I mean and and I like I'm okay with

1858
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:24,540
all of it I just think it's you know

1859
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:25,860
there's an element where it's just funny

1860
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:28,020
you know I mean and you just have to say

1861
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:30,120
like okay like do you do you pitch a fit

1862
01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:31,199
when you're in the line at the grocery

1863
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,699
store is that what you do because that's

1864
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,500
actually necessary to live you know what

1865
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:35,760
I mean

1866
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,980
like do you you know do you like

1867
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:39,780
harangue the grocery store manager about

1868
01:15:45,649 --> 01:15:43,620
your frozen pizzas or yeah right

1869
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:45,659
um the ones made with cheese that are is

1870
01:15:50,510 --> 01:15:48,179
actually fake cheese do you call the the

1871
01:15:52,490 --> 01:15:50,520
pizza company and say you're a grifter

1872
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:52,500
this is fake cheese it's not really yeah

1873
01:15:57,530 --> 01:15:55,140
and here we are and here we are doing

1874
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:57,540
our you know doing our show for free as

1875
01:16:02,510 --> 01:15:59,400
we do every week you know what I mean

1876
01:16:04,729 --> 01:16:02,520
and and what those kinds of situations

1877
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,739
those conferences are it's like we can't

1878
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,960
off of no money you can't put people

1879
01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:08,940
like Whitley Streeper and Chris Millen

1880
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:11,100
and Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane in

1881
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:12,659
the same room together that costs money

1882
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:15,239
because people fly from different places

1883
01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:18,780
to go somewhere like it's not a zoom

1884
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:20,760
room and by the way those people aren't

1885
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:23,159
getting rich off of this stuff either

1886
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,880
you know absolutely not you know just

1887
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:29,280
another like misnomer people think if

1888
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:30,659
you're doing a conference you're getting

1889
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:37,970
so there are people that will go

1890
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:40,500
or like they're like I called the I

1891
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,000
called the venue and this is how much

1892
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:43,679
they charge so this is how much they

1893
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:46,620
made but you know somebody did that well

1894
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:48,659
yeah and somebody and like I'm not gonna

1895
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,800
say who it was because I don't want to

1896
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,080
get into it but like I but like you know

1897
01:16:56,689 --> 01:16:54,000
it's a prominent you know skeptical

1898
01:16:59,090 --> 01:16:56,699
troll or it's prominent skeptical person

1899
01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,100
in this community and that's fine

1900
01:17:03,229 --> 01:17:01,500
um but it's like okay like follow the

1901
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:03,239
math keep doing the math they were like

1902
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:06,120
okay so it costs 7 500 for the theater

1903
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:09,239
so that means that they made 21 that 21

1904
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,500
000 or something like that I was like

1905
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:12,719
and then I went back and I was like okay

1906
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:16,800
add in the flights add in you know the

1907
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:18,780
hotels which are very expensive in New

1908
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:21,780
York by the way you know add in food add

1909
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:24,900
in Insurance add-in Staffing add-in I

1910
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:26,520
can't believe the room is that expensive

1911
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:29,400
wow right yeah that's right but you know

1912
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:31,860
it's Manhattan and so like once you add

1913
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:33,900
all that in Okay add all that together

1914
01:17:38,689 --> 01:17:37,140
and then divide it by 10. and then see

1915
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:38,699
how much people are making you know what

1916
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,920
I mean which is like not exactly the way

1917
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:42,600
that it went down but like it's close to

1918
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,580
the truth and it gives you a relatively

1919
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:47,040
accurate situation and it's like you

1920
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,719
know nobody was walking out of there

1921
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,080
that's a whole lot of work for the for

1922
01:17:57,950 --> 01:17:55,440
the one the one payoff you know like

1923
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:57,960
yeah yeah no we did it because we love

1924
01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:59,580
having these like we want to push the

1925
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,380
ball forward we want the community to be

1926
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:03,719
able to get together and like that and

1927
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,659
it's and it's fun it's fun and it's

1928
01:18:09,709 --> 01:18:08,400
thoughtful and it's like cool to have

1929
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:09,719
people and there's a lot of positivity

1930
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,179
that's what it's about you know what I

1931
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:15,239
mean like yeah you know people when you

1932
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:17,400
look at the actual money like it's you

1933
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:19,020
know we're talking about hundreds of

1934
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,480
dollars you know what I mean somebody

1935
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:24,080
flies out for like you know three days

1936
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:27,179
of their own time like going away from

1937
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:28,679
their family and they might walk away

1938
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:31,260
with 500 bucks right like if you think

1939
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:32,940
that that's a grifter I like I don't

1940
01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:34,380
know what to tell you man I don't know

1941
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:35,640
what to tell you

1942
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,659
uh it's uh I no like the way I look at

1943
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:41,760
it is like I said like-minded people

1944
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:43,560
coming together doing you know talking

1945
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:45,060
about stuff that interests everybody

1946
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:48,420
just like any other topic you know

1947
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:50,340
um the difference I think in ufology and

1948
01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:53,219
this is you know there there is a blurry

1949
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:55,739
Ethics Line I do think in ufology and

1950
01:19:02,209 --> 01:18:58,800
one you know if you were to call it you

1951
01:19:04,189 --> 01:19:02,219
know uh disclosure event you know or

1952
01:19:06,169 --> 01:19:04,199
something like that or where you were

1953
01:19:07,790 --> 01:19:06,179
promising things to be shown for the

1954
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,800
first time that would blow their mind

1955
01:19:12,290 --> 01:19:10,140
and they have to come to get a piece of

1956
01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:12,300
this disclosure or whatever that's what

1957
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,699
I have a problem with you know because

1958
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,400
then you're taking advantage of people

1959
01:19:21,649 --> 01:19:18,960
you're taking advantage of people that

1960
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:21,659
want to you know you can know more than

1961
01:19:26,450 --> 01:19:24,300
the other person if you come to this you

1962
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:26,460
will get some disclosure you know that

1963
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:28,739
kind of thing like that I have a problem

1964
01:19:33,250 --> 01:19:31,860
with it sure that's exactly not what you

1965
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:33,260
were doing

1966
01:19:39,229 --> 01:19:37,080
I appreciate that yeah you're like I

1967
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:39,239
said just and you offer the videos up

1968
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:41,820
free online afterwards which is uh

1969
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,800
incredible so thanks man yeah I think uh

1970
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:48,960
I think you know and we've talked about

1971
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,940
this before why do people spend so much

1972
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:53,040
time around a topic that just irritates

1973
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:55,860
them so much you know and uh how on how

1974
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:57,000
unhealthy

1975
01:20:00,649 --> 01:19:58,620
that would be

1976
01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:00,659
um and it it always yeah I always think

1977
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,520
of the the football thing for whatever

1978
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:04,800
reason like I just imagine I'm watching

1979
01:20:09,229 --> 01:20:07,320
my Green Bay Packers and there's you

1980
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:09,239
know the announcers that called The Game

1981
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:10,920
and one of the announcers just

1982
01:20:16,370 --> 01:20:14,040
absolutely hates football right and all

1983
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,380
he does is just talks crap about the

1984
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:18,480
game the whole time not even like the

1985
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:21,060
plays or the player or man he's not

1986
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:22,920
playing good no they just talk crap

1987
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:25,860
about the actual sport right yeah you

1988
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,960
see that bombed by Aaron Rodgers I know

1989
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,000
I didn't I hate this game this they're

1990
01:20:34,910 --> 01:20:32,280
like stupid people just hitting on each

1991
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,920
other they all get paid money

1992
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:36,320
yeah

1993
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:38,940
right like how popular would that person

1994
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:41,460
be and like how like well adjusted would

1995
01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:43,140
that person be I don't know you know

1996
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,780
yeah it's it's not yeah you're

1997
01:20:50,270 --> 01:20:47,580
absolutely right it's not it's not the

1998
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,280
healthiest way to go the flip side is

1999
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,380
like when you there's an audience for

2000
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:54,659
that too like other people are kind of

2001
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:56,820
uh feed off of the negativity and love

2002
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:00,480
to be negative too you know and so when

2003
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:02,040
they're posting the negative things

2004
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,980
other people back them up and and like

2005
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:07,020
their tweets or whatever and say yeah

2006
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:08,820
yeah you're right you know whatever and

2007
01:21:12,890 --> 01:21:10,380
that makes them feel good about

2008
01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:12,900
themselves like they're saving the world

2009
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:15,239
or they're getting that little serotonin

2010
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:17,580
hit every time they get the likes on

2011
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:20,520
that tweet you know like so it's you

2012
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:22,380
know it's the same social media game

2013
01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:24,179
where you're posting stuff people like

2014
01:21:29,630 --> 01:21:27,239
it you feel good you know it's just the

2015
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,640
message is quite negative

2016
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:31,679
um to get that serotonin hit you know

2017
01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:33,480
and that's unfortunate

2018
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,080
so you know you should be able to do

2019
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,560
you know something positive to I agree

2020
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:42,239
at least like I wouldn't do something

2021
01:21:46,970 --> 01:21:44,760
negative or against somebody else just

2022
01:21:48,590 --> 01:21:46,980
to get my serotonin you know wouldn't be

2023
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:48,600
at that point it'll be like I'll just be

2024
01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:58,370
I'm not playing that game you know yeah

2025
01:22:02,810 --> 01:22:01,080
yeah I've done it before where uh you

2026
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,820
know I would talk back to somebody on

2027
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:05,040
Twitter or whatever and you know say

2028
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:07,620
something that wasn't the super nice you

2029
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:08,820
know

2030
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:09,360
um

2031
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,219
and I felt

2032
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:13,679
I just didn't like the way like I felt

2033
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,960
about it even though like in so many

2034
01:22:19,610 --> 01:22:18,000
people's minds you know the person would

2035
01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:19,620
deserve it or you're well within your

2036
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:22,020
right and other people would you know

2037
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:23,820
back me up and go yeah you're right or

2038
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:25,140
whatever still at the end of the day

2039
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:28,020
like it's like I don't need to

2040
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,060
I don't need to do that stuff like I

2041
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:32,280
just need to find people like me and

2042
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:34,020
stick with that group I can block her

2043
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,520
mute those people because I don't want

2044
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:37,920
my life to be filled with negativity

2045
01:22:42,169 --> 01:22:40,620
like that it's too short

2046
01:22:45,229 --> 01:22:42,179
um to to give yourself more

2047
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:45,239
opportunities to feel bad you know I

2048
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:46,980
agree I think that's probably you know

2049
01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:48,420
I'm sure a lot of people in the chat

2050
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:50,760
feel the same way I do too that like you

2051
01:22:54,649 --> 01:22:52,620
know any time that I've been you know

2052
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,659
gotten back at somebody online in the

2053
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:56,880
past or something like that I you know

2054
01:23:01,850 --> 01:22:58,440
within

2055
01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:01,860
five years because you know when I was

2056
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,239
young and

2057
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:04,800
when I was a lot younger I was probably

2058
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:06,780
like yeah I really gave it to him but

2059
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:08,640
you know as I've gotten older it's like

2060
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,920
I regret it every single time you know

2061
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:12,960
what I mean even sure it's either just

2062
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,199
just because of like how what your what

2063
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:18,360
impulses you're giving into and I just

2064
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:20,040
think you know it's like as you're

2065
01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:21,780
saying it's like you just people need to

2066
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:24,179
focus on what they love right and it's

2067
01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:25,860
like and if they don't love this topic

2068
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:27,239
hopefully they can find something else

2069
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:29,820
they love whether it's flowers or or

2070
01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:33,360
reading sci-fi or you know reading like

2071
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:35,940
historical fiction or you know something

2072
01:23:40,490 --> 01:23:38,340
or like you know Sports maybe they love

2073
01:23:41,689 --> 01:23:40,500
football I don't know cooking there's so

2074
01:23:44,330 --> 01:23:41,699
many things you can do in this world

2075
01:23:46,669 --> 01:23:44,340
that don't involve you know these big

2076
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:46,679
mysterious topics that have that

2077
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:49,080
sometimes have a tendency to to get

2078
01:23:53,209 --> 01:23:50,820
people frustrated or give people ahead

2079
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,219
totally right totally and then other

2080
01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,960
people are jazzed by those big questions

2081
01:23:58,610 --> 01:23:57,000
you know like people are continually

2082
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,620
jazzed or sometimes people need a break

2083
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,020
and all those things are okay it's just

2084
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:03,840
like people I think you know as we say

2085
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:06,060
off and it's just like it's important to

2086
01:24:11,209 --> 01:24:08,760
not conflate the other people in the

2087
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:11,219
field for the big questions that you're

2088
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:14,820
angry at right yeah it's not it's not my

2089
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:15,600
fault

2090
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,699
don't have the answers you know that we

2091
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:22,320
don't have all the answers we're just

2092
01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:23,640
you know we're just exploring the

2093
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:25,140
questions the best we can along with

2094
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:27,719
everybody else and trying to and you see

2095
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,380
that a lot with the like Lou and other

2096
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:34,320
people these days you know because Lou

2097
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:38,159
wasn't able to provide the proof of a

2098
01:24:44,030 --> 01:24:41,400
non-human entity presence on Earth that

2099
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:44,040
they were hoping for you know right then

2100
01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:45,960
they feel blackballed they're screwed by

2101
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:48,120
the guy who won you know to begin with

2102
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,520
his his whole

2103
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:52,800
um objective really was to get this in

2104
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,300
Congress to where it should be the whole

2105
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:57,120
time you would say I want this to happen

2106
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,360
how it's supposed to happen you know I'm

2107
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,880
not and talking about like breaking an

2108
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:04,800
NDA or whatever I'm not just gonna go

2109
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:07,080
break an NDA like if I break a promise

2110
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,179
here who knows I could break promise

2111
01:25:14,570 --> 01:25:11,760
there like a promise is a promise and I

2112
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:14,580
can't do that I'm doing this to make

2113
01:25:19,610 --> 01:25:16,860
sure that the process goes the way it's

2114
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:19,620
supposed to which means that the subject

2115
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:22,500
it's put in Congress legislation is made

2116
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:25,320
so things happen the correct way and

2117
01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:27,900
that's what he successfully did I mean

2118
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:29,880
the ndaa has yet to be officially

2119
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,340
confirmed but it probably will be and

2120
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,280
that's what he did and now people are

2121
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:37,199
surprised that he's gone why would he

2122
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,420
still be here he did his job

2123
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,520
you know you don't you don't continue

2124
01:25:48,050 --> 01:25:44,400
doing your job after you punch out you

2125
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:48,060
know like you did the thing and now

2126
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:49,400
you're done

2127
01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:52,260
well absolutely and the other thing is

2128
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,500
like he pointedly like Lou I mean you

2129
01:25:58,669 --> 01:25:56,880
know lose his own guy and Lou doesn't

2130
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,679
need all of us to kind of defend him

2131
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:00,239
constantly and some people it's like

2132
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:03,239
bait to do that but like he also you

2133
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:05,400
know he pointedly did a whole bunch of

2134
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:08,699
podcasts in including you know he was

2135
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:11,400
with us you know in February and it was

2136
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:13,620
great it was a great conversation and

2137
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:16,440
and then he said like okay I'm out I

2138
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,940
gotta go write my book

2139
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,159
right that's essentially what he said

2140
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:22,320
and it's like he's been gone writing a

2141
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:25,679
book and like he's not Stephen King you

2142
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,179
know what I mean Stephen King can kick

2143
01:26:31,310 --> 01:26:29,760
out like two books in a year I don't I

2144
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:31,320
don't know that Lou Elizondo has ever

2145
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,760
written a book before in his life if he

2146
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:34,260
has it hasn't been published I don't

2147
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,600
think so like you know what I mean so

2148
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,400
like these things take time you know

2149
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,280
what I mean people take years to write

2150
01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:43,380
their first book sometimes people take

2151
01:26:49,090 --> 01:26:45,900
years to write their 12th book and it's

2152
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:49,100
like you've and people forget that like

2153
01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:51,719
that that situations like that happen

2154
01:26:56,270 --> 01:26:53,699
and he was like super clear about what

2155
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:56,280
he was doing I don't like I don't when

2156
01:27:02,450 --> 01:26:58,620
people are like where is he as if as if

2157
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,460
he as if like he owes us anything you

2158
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:04,639
know what I mean

2159
01:27:10,669 --> 01:27:07,620
he's stepping you resigned from his job

2160
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:10,679
stepped into the public Limelight did a

2161
01:27:15,649 --> 01:27:13,320
thousand podcasts talking about UFOs

2162
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:15,659
again a risk when you have a great

2163
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:18,179
career already established yeah got this

2164
01:27:22,669 --> 01:27:20,340
into Congress legislation's about to be

2165
01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:22,679
passed he disappeared and it's all his

2166
01:27:28,129 --> 01:27:25,620
fault well yeah and like here we are the

2167
01:27:30,169 --> 01:27:28,139
week of the five-year anniversary of a

2168
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:30,179
Helene Cooper Leslie Kane and Ralph

2169
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,100
blumenthal's initial front page article

2170
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:34,560
exposing the atip program and those now

2171
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:36,840
world famous videos and you know that's

2172
01:27:40,610 --> 01:27:38,760
arguably been the chapter that we've

2173
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,620
been in for the last five years is like

2174
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:42,960
we've been living in a post you know

2175
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,900
December 2017 world right you know you

2176
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:47,639
can really look at the field as like

2177
01:27:52,669 --> 01:27:49,560
before that happened and then after that

2178
01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:52,679
happened and like and Luke contributed

2179
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:55,260
like a huge amount to that article right

2180
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,300
right and Leslie was just talking about

2181
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,239
it and Ralph was too like a week and a

2182
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:03,600
half ago and like and Chris Millman you

2183
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:06,420
know was the guy that you know I mean as

2184
01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:08,820
they said you know he contributed

2185
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,679
strongly to those videos getting leaked

2186
01:28:16,189 --> 01:28:13,520
right sure and and it's like

2187
01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:16,199
I don't know like how many things could

2188
01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:19,620
you possibly do and it's like it's it's

2189
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,540
difficult because there are so many

2190
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:23,760
situations where we find people in

2191
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,260
recent history or in long-form history

2192
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:28,560
and it's like they did one thing on one

2193
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,920
day whether it's like at Waterloo or

2194
01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:34,560
D-Day or whatever the heck you know what

2195
01:28:39,229 --> 01:28:37,380
I mean they performed one big action and

2196
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:39,239
we know about them for the right you

2197
01:28:43,129 --> 01:28:41,400
know like right like at least a good

2198
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,139
Century later or something like that

2199
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:45,360
right yeah and then we live in this and

2200
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:47,219
because we live in like as you are

2201
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,020
putting it the situation where we have

2202
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:50,639
to have like our dopamine hits or our

2203
01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:53,940
serotonin hits or whatever like we need

2204
01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:56,040
these heroic these people that some

2205
01:29:01,610 --> 01:28:58,440
people think of as Heroes to be doing

2206
01:29:02,990 --> 01:29:01,620
something heroic every freaking week as

2207
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:03,000
if it's like they're tuning you're

2208
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:04,620
tuning into the Adventures of Superman

2209
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:07,560
or something like it's a TV show like

2210
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:10,500
it's real life exactly the people that

2211
01:29:14,270 --> 01:29:12,060
have kids people that have families

2212
01:29:17,570 --> 01:29:14,280
people that are retired people that are

2213
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:17,580
literally retired and they make this one

2214
01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:20,040
like maybe they'll make a little mistake

2215
01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:22,139
or they'll get a detail wrong and then

2216
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,620
it's all over yeah oh you're done screw

2217
01:29:30,649 --> 01:29:27,600
that yeah he made it he made a typo on

2218
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:30,659
page 18. I saw it he made it yeah you

2219
01:29:42,610 --> 01:29:39,890
right re you know right and uh yeah yeah

2220
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:42,620
but like I and so which is just

2221
01:29:47,629 --> 01:29:45,780
ridiculous by the way it's like if uh

2222
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:47,639
you're seeing the Flying Saucer right

2223
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:50,639
then and maybe uh President Biden comes

2224
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:52,440
out goes here's the flag saucer right

2225
01:29:56,930 --> 01:29:55,080
and it's uh a diesel engine right yeah

2226
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,940
and then a couple months go by and

2227
01:30:01,850 --> 01:29:59,280
people wind up finding out it's not a

2228
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,860
diesel engine it actually takes unleaded

2229
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:03,840
so the whole thing just throw it down

2230
01:30:08,810 --> 01:30:06,060
the garbage because he lied to me about

2231
01:30:13,070 --> 01:30:08,820
what kind of engine the Flying Saucer is

2232
01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:13,080
so forget it you're a grifter yeah and

2233
01:30:18,110 --> 01:30:15,480
also you know there's also the aspect

2234
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:18,120
where where as Gary patiently tells

2235
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,500
people all the time people are like well

2236
01:30:23,629 --> 01:30:21,840
where's where's the material you know

2237
01:30:24,530 --> 01:30:23,639
where's the material analysis that you

2238
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:24,540
said you were going to do a couple

2239
01:30:27,890 --> 01:30:26,040
months yeah it's like and then he

2240
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,900
patiently explains to people this stuff

2241
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:29,520
takes years you know this stuff takes

2242
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:31,380
months this stuff takes years you know

2243
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:33,000
what I mean for you to like you gotta

2244
01:30:38,510 --> 01:30:36,360
you gotta but I want episodes two but

2245
01:30:41,570 --> 01:30:38,520
I'm on episode two right and it's like

2246
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:41,580
and some of these people you know and

2247
01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:43,080
then there are Untold people that are

2248
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,460
doing things behind the scenes that will

2249
01:30:49,129 --> 01:30:46,800
never know their names and or most

2250
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:49,139
people won't know their names and like

2251
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:51,239
some of these people are hyper brilliant

2252
01:30:56,330 --> 01:30:53,699
and they're super strategic and the

2253
01:30:59,209 --> 01:30:56,340
thing is is that you know often you know

2254
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,219
people like you or I or James or or

2255
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:01,199
Vinnie or you know so many other people

2256
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:03,120
would be like or Chris sharp will be

2257
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:04,320
like oh I heard about something that's

2258
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,760
going to be happening next year can't

2259
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:08,159
talk about it yet but I like I really

2260
01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:09,600
think it's gonna be awesome and then we

2261
01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:12,120
gradually learn to like not say anything

2262
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:15,239
like that because you get you get a

2263
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:17,159
hundred people on your Twitter that are

2264
01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:19,260
like you have to tell me about it now

2265
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,960
and the things look like followers you

2266
01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:23,520
want more fun and the thing is is like

2267
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:25,500
no I'm genuinely excited like I love

2268
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:28,639
this stuff and and at the same time like

2269
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:31,139
there are many situations in this

2270
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,820
community where we do know about

2271
01:31:37,129 --> 01:31:34,800
somebody's plans for next year or the

2272
01:31:38,990 --> 01:31:37,139
next six months and if we talk about

2273
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,000
them they'll they blowed it's like it's

2274
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,800
like again back to the football analogy

2275
01:31:44,270 --> 01:31:42,719
it's like oh man there's going to be a

2276
01:31:45,649 --> 01:31:44,280
big play on Sunday tell me about the

2277
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:45,659
play on Sunday tell me about the play

2278
01:31:49,790 --> 01:31:47,880
that Tom Brady's planning on Sunday you

2279
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:49,800
know what I mean you can't tell you you

2280
01:31:53,930 --> 01:31:52,380
can't tell you can't say what Tom

2281
01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:53,940
Brady's play is going to be next Sunday

2282
01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:56,580
or else I'll get sacked he'll get sacked

2283
01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:58,380
over and over again yeah that's a good

2284
01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:01,020
point like yeah but and that kind of

2285
01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:02,940
makes me think of like the whole Jeremy

2286
01:32:08,209 --> 01:32:05,580
Corbell thing and the whole uh like a

2287
01:32:10,669 --> 01:32:08,219
lot of people were like uh upset about

2288
01:32:12,890 --> 01:32:10,679
the hype you know building hype but now

2289
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:12,900
you look back on it right and

2290
01:32:18,410 --> 01:32:16,560
and you think about that time when he

2291
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,420
came out with those videos whatever the

2292
01:32:22,189 --> 01:32:20,400
videos will end up being you know or

2293
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:22,199
whatever it is there's definitely a

2294
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:25,020
story there we know that definitely a

2295
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,639
good story

2296
01:32:31,610 --> 01:32:28,080
um

2297
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,620
going to come out with it or whatever

2298
01:32:37,490 --> 01:32:34,320
and then all this time passes right and

2299
01:32:40,450 --> 01:32:37,500
he can't do anything why because it's

2300
01:32:44,450 --> 01:32:40,460
extremely hard to get that information

2301
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,460
you're not just handed classified slides

2302
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,040
every day and you can just decide you

2303
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,719
know when you don't feel lazy one day

2304
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:50,880
you'll release something you know you're

2305
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:52,620
not just getting this all the time it

2306
01:32:59,090 --> 01:32:55,800
takes hard work you know to get stuff

2307
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,100
like that so if you release it excuse me

2308
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:01,199
if I want to make a big deal about it

2309
01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:03,600
because well it's a big deal because uh

2310
01:33:07,330 --> 01:33:04,790
it never happens

2311
01:33:11,209 --> 01:33:07,340
[Laughter]

2312
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,219
yeah you know it's not absolutely yeah

2313
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:12,960
it's not like you're just got this

2314
01:33:17,689 --> 01:33:15,540
funnel of uh jaywicks you know you got

2315
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,699
your jwix login you're like I think I'll

2316
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,440
release something today let me see what

2317
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:21,780
we got I'll just risk my neck you know

2318
01:33:27,169 --> 01:33:24,840
yeah you know what like I you know I

2319
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,179
don't like my wife and kids anyway yeah

2320
01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:29,460
I like who cares about my nice safe

2321
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:32,580
house and my and my in my pension and

2322
01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:34,199
now there's like nothing there's no

2323
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,560
videos no nothing like and you know I

2324
01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:38,880
hope those people that complained about

2325
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:40,920
the hype maybe take a second and maybe

2326
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:42,960
rethink that because now I bet you wish

2327
01:33:48,410 --> 01:33:46,260
that there was something at least some

2328
01:33:50,810 --> 01:33:48,420
sort of video or something that you can

2329
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:50,820
look at you know yeah and if you got to

2330
01:33:57,890 --> 01:33:54,120
take the high noon release with it well

2331
01:33:59,930 --> 01:33:57,900
so be it man you know deal with it it's

2332
01:34:02,810 --> 01:33:59,940
your fault for getting overexcited and

2333
01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:02,820
being let down it's not his fault you

2334
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,159
know because yeah it was tough to get

2335
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:07,199
that stuff but you didn't have to think

2336
01:34:11,209 --> 01:34:08,880
that it was going to be some obvious

2337
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,219
Flying Saucer with an alien head poking

2338
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:13,440
out like you or secretly hoping was

2339
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:15,480
going to happen but didn't yeah right

2340
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:18,960
yeah and we all we all hope for more and

2341
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:21,120
and we will get more and it's just I

2342
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:23,219
mean like it's hard to say to other

2343
01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:25,260
people and because I'm in the same boat

2344
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:26,940
we're all you and I are both in the same

2345
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,380
boat I mean clearly we been talking

2346
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:30,000
about it for over an hour now it's like

2347
01:34:35,330 --> 01:34:33,120
it takes a lot of patience and you know

2348
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:35,340
but like we do have we do find progress

2349
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,040
and like I do think you know I said it

2350
01:34:42,649 --> 01:34:40,560
the other day and like I knew that it

2351
01:34:45,229 --> 01:34:42,659
was maybe not the best thing to say but

2352
01:34:47,209 --> 01:34:45,239
I said it anyway I was like I do think

2353
01:34:49,970 --> 01:34:47,219
it's the five year anniversary of

2354
01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:49,980
December 2017 the that New York Times

2355
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:52,139
article and I do think that next year is

2356
01:34:57,290 --> 01:34:54,719
going to be the biggest the biggest you

2357
01:35:01,010 --> 01:34:57,300
know foot forward since then wait wait

2358
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:01,020
wait how do you know that tell me I won

2359
01:35:05,330 --> 01:35:03,960
episode two no right well I mean like

2360
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:05,340
we're just you know you're just gonna

2361
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:08,100
have to wait until you know the you know

2362
01:35:11,629 --> 01:35:09,960
and so we're after the uh the season

2363
01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:11,639
break here at the end of December but

2364
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,760
like I think you know from what I've

2365
01:35:18,770 --> 01:35:17,040
I've seen and talked to people and I

2366
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:18,780
think the same is true for you and I

2367
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:20,340
know other people that we talk to

2368
01:35:25,129 --> 01:35:22,800
relatively often there are a lot of

2369
01:35:27,410 --> 01:35:25,139
people there are a lot of different

2370
01:35:30,410 --> 01:35:27,420
people that behind the scenes I've been

2371
01:35:32,990 --> 01:35:30,420
working on their own like Rube Goldberg

2372
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:33,000
like better mouse traps that are

2373
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:34,980
figuring out their own way to kind of

2374
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:36,840
like spring things forward next year and

2375
01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:39,600
if any if any one or two of them

2376
01:35:43,310 --> 01:35:41,639
actually work out we're going to be

2377
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:43,320
having a different conversation this

2378
01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:46,320
time next year and there's just and

2379
01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:48,060
there are many many of those kind of

2380
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,820
operations in play and so like you know

2381
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:52,440
why don't you want us to why can't you

2382
01:35:55,250 --> 01:35:53,820
say anymore because I don't want Tom

2383
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:55,260
Brady to get sacked I don't even like

2384
01:35:59,629 --> 01:35:57,719
Tom Brady it's an analogy but we're

2385
01:36:01,790 --> 01:35:59,639
talking like I don't not like Tom Brady

2386
01:36:03,950 --> 01:36:01,800
I just don't watch much football but Tom

2387
01:36:06,290 --> 01:36:03,960
Brady is a part of the Galileo project

2388
01:36:08,689 --> 01:36:06,300
no yes that's exactly what I'm saying

2389
01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:08,699
let's start that rumor okay so we we

2390
01:36:12,669 --> 01:36:10,500
don't want to get the Star Quarterback

2391
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,679
sacked we don't want to get the 12

2392
01:36:16,850 --> 01:36:14,639
quarterbacks sack that we're talking

2393
01:36:19,129 --> 01:36:16,860
about here right it reminds me of

2394
01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:19,139
bowling like I bowl on Tuesdays uh with

2395
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,480
my dad I took off yesterday because my

2396
01:36:25,729 --> 01:36:23,040
wife was off and we haven't seen each

2397
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:25,739
other in a while so whatever so my dad's

2398
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:27,420
watching I'm sorry about that thank you

2399
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:30,060
but uh it reminds me of bowling and when

2400
01:36:36,890 --> 01:36:33,960
somebody is bowling and they get uh you

2401
01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:36,900
know like nine strikes in a row right

2402
01:36:41,390 --> 01:36:39,540
and they're about to get like a 300 and

2403
01:36:43,490 --> 01:36:41,400
which is a perfect game well all strikes

2404
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:43,500
all game which is really tough like

2405
01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:46,800
people make a point the whole 100 people

2406
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:48,360
that are bowling in league night or

2407
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:50,840
whatever nobody says anything

2408
01:36:57,110 --> 01:36:54,179
about it like yeah you got a perfect

2409
01:36:58,910 --> 01:36:57,120
game going or I hope you get the next

2410
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:58,920
one or whatever nobody says anything

2411
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,320
because right you know when it jinx

2412
01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:02,880
anything you don't want to screw it up

2413
01:37:06,890 --> 01:37:04,920
you know the second you say that then

2414
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:06,900
the person starts freaking out and goes

2415
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:09,360
oh my God I am going to get a 300 I've

2416
01:37:15,290 --> 01:37:11,940
never done this before yeah and then

2417
01:37:17,330 --> 01:37:15,300
they throw in the gutter yeah right same

2418
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:17,340
with the perfect game in baseball yeah

2419
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:20,520
100 yeah you just gotta yeah yeah

2420
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:22,199
sometimes you gotta just you know zip

2421
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:24,179
your lip and and like hope that the

2422
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:26,100
perfect game happens yeah and if

2423
01:37:28,610 --> 01:37:27,360
somebody's telling you something what

2424
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,620
are you you're gonna go tell the

2425
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,719
internet right away like how many more

2426
01:37:35,629 --> 01:37:32,159
things you think you're gonna be told

2427
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:35,639
you know yeah that this man like yeah

2428
01:37:38,689 --> 01:37:37,380
how many how many guests do you think we

2429
01:37:40,250 --> 01:37:38,699
could get on the show or how many

2430
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:40,260
conferences could I arrange in the

2431
01:37:43,729 --> 01:37:42,300
future if like I just turned around and

2432
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,739
blabbed everything that I knew all the

2433
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,320
time you can't do it man like it's this

2434
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:48,000
should be like this is this is like the

2435
01:37:52,729 --> 01:37:50,760
most obvious basic point and like people

2436
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:52,739
don't say it but like that's that's

2437
01:37:56,290 --> 01:37:54,540
literally the truth it's like you get

2438
01:37:59,450 --> 01:37:56,300
entrusted with information from people

2439
01:38:01,610 --> 01:37:59,460
and then like you you you tell people

2440
01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:01,620
what you can and then you wait for like

2441
01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:03,900
these big strategic plays to come up and

2442
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:05,460
you see if they work out the right way

2443
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,800
see I don't get any information like

2444
01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:10,080
that and I think that these people

2445
01:38:14,810 --> 01:38:12,540
probably remote viewed me or something

2446
01:38:15,850 --> 01:38:14,820
and know them just a blabbermouth so

2447
01:38:17,950 --> 01:38:15,860
they don't

2448
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:17,960
but

2449
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:20,639
just leave that guy with his documents

2450
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:23,159
it's all good like don't tell them

2451
01:38:29,110 --> 01:38:24,540
anything because he's just gonna screw

2452
01:38:33,169 --> 01:38:31,550
this community takes a lot of trust and

2453
01:38:36,649 --> 01:38:33,179
so there you know people confuse that

2454
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:36,659
because we are like a lot of us on this

2455
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:39,060
side of the kind of field are are

2456
01:38:44,330 --> 01:38:41,940
waiting for you know these kind of big

2457
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,340
strategic drops to happen kind of from

2458
01:38:49,010 --> 01:38:46,560
the the disclosure element or people

2459
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,020
working on transparency efforts people

2460
01:38:52,850 --> 01:38:50,880
working on that side and then there are

2461
01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:52,860
other people that keep those secrets and

2462
01:38:57,530 --> 01:38:54,360
there are some people that conflate

2463
01:38:59,629 --> 01:38:57,540
those two things right as if like Ross

2464
01:39:02,570 --> 01:38:59,639
as if but like what would the football

2465
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,580
game be if like everybody knew each

2466
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:04,320
other's secrets well we would get

2467
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,659
absolutely dominated by the team that

2468
01:39:10,270 --> 01:39:08,639
has all the money you'd be the cheating

2469
01:39:12,590 --> 01:39:10,280
Patriots yeah

2470
01:39:14,750 --> 01:39:12,600
but you could you'd get completely

2471
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:14,760
dominated by Whoever has more money and

2472
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:16,500
more Capital to like throw at the

2473
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:18,659
problem of transparency and in this case

2474
01:39:25,370 --> 01:39:22,560
that would clearly be you know you know

2475
01:39:27,290 --> 01:39:25,380
the the same reason Department of energy

2476
01:39:30,649 --> 01:39:27,300
didn't come out early and go we're

2477
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,659
trying to create this free energy with a

2478
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,159
bunch of lasers and this is what we're

2479
01:39:34,669 --> 01:39:33,840
trying to do we don't know if it's going

2480
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:34,679
to work

2481
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,260
but we're going to attempt to to do this

2482
01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:38,639
is see how it goes that's why they don't

2483
01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:40,020
come out with the press release saying

2484
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:41,699
that they come out with a press release

2485
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,320
when they've done it

2486
01:39:47,870 --> 01:39:45,600
you know exactly

2487
01:39:48,530 --> 01:39:47,880
yeah 100

2488
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:48,540
um

2489
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,239
today oh should we tell people that

2490
01:39:58,189 --> 01:39:55,679
we're uh we're what we're planning for

2491
01:40:00,110 --> 01:39:58,199
next week we've got or is that blowing

2492
01:40:02,450 --> 01:40:00,120
uh blowing blowing the secret too much

2493
01:40:04,850 --> 01:40:02,460
yeah it might be No No One's Gonna yeah

2494
01:40:10,510 --> 01:40:04,860
right now we're gonna try to do a

2495
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:13,610
holiday special it's going to be awesome

2496
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:16,320
you know I'll find a Christmas case that

2497
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,900
I can bring up oh yeah good Christmas

2498
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:20,880
case yeah and we're gonna decorate

2499
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,500
things and we're probably gonna have

2500
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:24,840
some special guests which will be really

2501
01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:27,060
fun yeah um and we're gonna have like

2502
01:40:31,129 --> 01:40:28,920
we're gonna have a lot of laughs and

2503
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:31,139
there's gonna be a lot of joy and warmth

2504
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:34,380
yeah you know it's gonna be like we're

2505
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,020
all huddled under you know in the living

2506
01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:39,360
room uh watching the watching the fire

2507
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:44,870
I was just thinking about

2508
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,219
um I wasn't gonna

2509
01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:48,960
I was just thinking about this because I

2510
01:40:52,669 --> 01:40:50,280
was been looking at documents again

2511
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:52,679
recently and I'm not going to bring it

2512
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:54,060
up but I just want to tell you this

2513
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:56,340
story quick so

2514
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:58,020
this guy

2515
01:41:02,990 --> 01:41:01,139
um and some Newfoundland base for the

2516
01:41:05,149 --> 01:41:03,000
Air Force and

2517
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,159
this their radar is getting a blip

2518
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:07,440
unidentified blip right

2519
01:41:12,350 --> 01:41:10,800
I don't think anybody actually saw

2520
01:41:14,330 --> 01:41:12,360
anything maybe they did I don't remember

2521
01:41:15,610 --> 01:41:14,340
but there was a blip and it was

2522
01:41:18,890 --> 01:41:15,620
unidentified

2523
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,900
later this guy is out on like the

2524
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:21,840
airstrip of the base

2525
01:41:28,189 --> 01:41:25,440
and he sees a silhouette of a person

2526
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:28,199
like a black silhouette

2527
01:41:32,930 --> 01:41:31,560
and he gets well first he gets like shot

2528
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:32,940
in the finger

2529
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:35,400
and his finger starts like burning is

2530
01:41:39,229 --> 01:41:37,860
how they describe his fingers burning I

2531
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,239
don't know if they were

2532
01:41:43,729 --> 01:41:41,520
proved it was shot but his finger was

2533
01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:43,739
burning so then he looks and he sees a

2534
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:45,900
silhouette of a person and takes his gun

2535
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:49,199
and starts shooting it at the person

2536
01:41:55,250 --> 01:41:52,320
and that's it that's all you get oh boy

2537
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,260
but I'm like what a UFO story like that

2538
01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:57,119
reminds me like Skinwalker Ranch or

2539
01:42:02,689 --> 01:41:58,440
something and seeing like a shadow

2540
01:42:07,010 --> 01:42:02,699
person yeah oh yeah you're his stuff man

2541
01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:07,020
what a story but in in the paperwork the

2542
01:42:11,870 --> 01:42:09,420
the investigator was whatever is like

2543
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:11,880
this unidentified thing in this shooting

2544
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,820
could be connected

2545
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:16,800
um

2546
01:42:21,229 --> 01:42:18,840
it's crazy so it makes me think of those

2547
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,239
Shadow people's stories absolutely

2548
01:42:24,649 --> 01:42:23,040
regular plants or something like the

2549
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,659
nuclear plants that's that's some of the

2550
01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:25,920
scariest shadow people stuff because

2551
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,440
that's really you know that's that's

2552
01:42:32,810 --> 01:42:30,239
super intriguing

2553
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:32,820
um yeah so yeah we'll come up with some

2554
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,340
fun holiday cases we'll have some

2555
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:37,679
special guests yeah we might even

2556
01:42:40,669 --> 01:42:39,000
announce one or two of them before the

2557
01:42:42,649 --> 01:42:40,679
show which would be fun but we'll

2558
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:42,659
probably spring a couple on folks during

2559
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,760
the show which will be great and we're

2560
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,400
gonna have a good time it'll be nice

2561
01:42:52,370 --> 01:42:49,440
Little Rock Jingle Bells will rock and

2562
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:52,380
then you know and then we'll all go back

2563
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,560
home and and uh drink our eggnog you

2564
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:57,600
know for the next week or whatever are

2565
01:43:02,750 --> 01:42:59,880
you in it are you an eggnog guy I used

2566
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,760
to be when I was a kid now like my you

2567
01:43:06,410 --> 01:43:04,320
know my

2568
01:43:08,209 --> 01:43:06,420
I like I just don't have the metabolism

2569
01:43:10,669 --> 01:43:08,219
for it anymore I don't think I can drink

2570
01:43:12,290 --> 01:43:10,679
it like I I can drink I think you're

2571
01:43:16,189 --> 01:43:12,300
gonna gain 100 pounds from a couple

2572
01:43:18,350 --> 01:43:16,199
glasses eggnog dude you have no idea how

2573
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:18,360
quickly I can gain weight it is yeah no

2574
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:21,540
but like um but I can I what I do is I

2575
01:43:24,770 --> 01:43:23,100
throw a little bit of eggnog as creamer

2576
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:24,780
into my coffee when I go home for

2577
01:43:29,090 --> 01:43:26,820
Christmas and that's my way of like

2578
01:43:32,330 --> 01:43:29,100
getting into the holiday spirit and I

2579
01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:32,340
know that that might seem like a like uh

2580
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:35,460
like a overly responsible way to do it

2581
01:43:39,290 --> 01:43:37,800
but it's partially because like I Chow

2582
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:39,300
Down on those cheese logs and everything

2583
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,060
else too while I'm home so I have to you

2584
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:45,360
know I have to I have to cut down where

2585
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:47,880
I can and so eggnog just turns into the

2586
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:50,400
the coffee creamer what about you yeah I

2587
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:53,940
love I I love eggnog yeah I'll probably

2588
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:56,280
drink some I maybe I'll make eggnog

2589
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:57,900
lattes this year because I have an

2590
01:44:01,970 --> 01:44:00,239
espresso machine now so that sounds

2591
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:01,980
delicious well I got that for Last

2592
01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:04,139
Christmas from my wonderful wife so

2593
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,320
maybe I'll make a eggnog latte that

2594
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:09,840
sounds amazing all right well whenever

2595
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:11,520
whenever I whenever I get to Wisconsin

2596
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,900
you're gonna have to make me one of

2597
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:14,880
those is that okay yeah yeah I would

2598
01:44:20,689 --> 01:44:18,000
love to okay and and we got to work on

2599
01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:20,699
when we're gonna hang out uh in 2023 man

2600
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,340
we'll figure it out yeah yeah well if

2601
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:25,440
you're doing that event in April uh

2602
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,840
maybe I can go to that one so oh that'd

2603
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:30,480
be so sick we'll see I'd be so sick

2604
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,080
absolutely what happens I'd you know I

2605
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:36,480
kind of hate JFK airport but it's worth

2606
01:44:49,729 --> 01:44:45,770
okay maybe I'll do that yeah so yeah

2607
01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:49,739
maybe I'll do that all right well thank

2608
01:44:53,090 --> 01:44:51,780
you everybody that's been hanging out in

2609
01:44:55,370 --> 01:44:53,100
the chat today

2610
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,380
um we I've been watching a bunch of your

2611
01:44:58,370 --> 01:44:57,600
wonderful replies and

2612
01:45:00,290 --> 01:44:58,380
um

2613
01:45:02,090 --> 01:45:00,300
for the holiday special next week one

2614
01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:02,100
let's let's um

2615
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,260
we can engage with the chat a little bit

2616
01:45:08,930 --> 01:45:06,719
more with our special guests and and uh

2617
01:45:10,669 --> 01:45:08,940
and uh get some questions from you guys

2618
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,679
have some back and forth going I think

2619
01:45:15,129 --> 01:45:12,719
it's gonna be great hey Vinnie like the

2620
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,139
video by the way and subscribe yeah

2621
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:18,000
maybe maybe maybe Vinnie can make it to

2622
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,380
the holiday special I don't know we'll

2623
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:21,119
see yeah what do you think Vinnie can

2624
01:45:25,490 --> 01:45:22,920
you come to the holiday special

2625
01:45:27,530 --> 01:45:25,500
come on Vinnie Are You Gonna Save here

2626
01:45:30,649 --> 01:45:27,540
on him right here Vinnie save Christmas

2627
01:45:32,030 --> 01:45:30,659
you got to do it save Christmas or

2628
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:32,040
you're a grifter

2629
01:45:39,310 --> 01:45:34,980
no yo if you don't save Christmas you're

2630
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:41,390
it's great to see everybody it's great

2631
01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:44,400
to see Andres Mikey water lily Lionel I

2632
01:45:51,490 --> 01:45:46,980
saw Robert Comfort early earlier Logan

2633
01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:51,500
uh sunsavers so many wonderful people

2634
01:45:56,810 --> 01:45:54,540
lots of long long term regulars and

2635
01:45:57,770 --> 01:45:56,820
wonderful new folks as well thanks for

2636
01:45:59,870 --> 01:45:57,780
tuning in

2637
01:46:04,070 --> 01:45:59,880
um we are looking forward to our

2638
01:46:07,149 --> 01:46:04,080
wonderful uh episode next next week and

2639
01:46:14,209 --> 01:46:07,159
we I look forward to doing uh much more

2640
01:46:16,430 --> 01:46:14,219
uh with Sean in 220 or in 2 23 in 2023.

2641
01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:16,440
that's the way human beings say it right

2642
01:46:25,850 --> 01:46:20,460
2023 the year of uh football

2643
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:25,860
no no the year the the year of tackling

2644
01:46:29,930 --> 01:46:27,300
the great Mysteries it's gonna be

2645
01:46:32,270 --> 01:46:29,940
awesome yeah hopefully hopefully we

2646
01:46:34,010 --> 01:46:32,280
solved them all today by the way oh my

2647
01:46:36,649 --> 01:46:34,020
gosh well at least we addressed some

2648
01:46:38,689 --> 01:46:36,659
concerns we definitely got some of that

2649
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:38,699
out of the way and it was wonderful to

2650
01:46:44,510 --> 01:46:41,580
see all of you over here uh great to see

2651
01:46:47,870 --> 01:46:44,520
uh paranormal blip and Christian and and

2652
01:46:51,770 --> 01:46:47,880
channel War Horse everybody Josh thank

2653
01:46:54,169 --> 01:46:51,780
you all so much Charelle and uh we're uh

2654
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,179
we'll see you uh next week it's gonna be

2655
01:46:58,609 --> 01:46:56,400
awesome everybody I love YouTube buddy

2656
01:47:00,690 --> 01:46:58,619
I'll see you soon okay peace out Parts

2657
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:00,700
peace out